(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Kevee]

Wait really? So if the tank is taking less damage, thats a bad thing?

If you really want to nitpick about that, then why don't we add in healer damage if they don't have to heal the tank as much? I think that's more than the 3 potency a second dot we're talking about here.

50 additional potency a minute with contagion, with the fact that you also lose 10 initial potency from ruin, comes out to a 0.7 pps a second gain. I mean, I guess. You're right at least that its a slight gain over not doing it.

On what fight do they need to be taking less damage? Turn 1, nope. Can't AoE. Snakes are seperate. Turn 2? Nope, nothing to AoE. Turn 3? Lol? AoE through that. Turn 4? AoE spiders/rooks, single target soldiers/dreadnoughts. You don't single target the rooks down. Turn 5? AoE the beginning drakes. When snakes spawn during air phase, single target the big snake and then AoE the small ones.

Or are you talking trash? Why aren't you AoEing trash?

If you can AoE, you should be. It kills all mobs faster.

[pandabearcat]

Oh, I haven't done Coil, so I don't know the mechanics of the fights.

If the AoEs are all zerg aoes and none of the targets have mechanics or do significant damage or what have you, sure.

I still don't think miasma 2 is worthwhile single target though, and thats mostly what I was trying to reconcile. Also I might have posted in the wrong thread.

[Kevee]

Oh, I haven't done Coil, so I don't know the mechanics of the fights.

If the AoEs are all zerg aoes and none of the targets have mechanics or do significant damage or what have you, sure.

I still don't think miasma 2 is worthwhile single target though, and thats mostly what I was trying to reconcile. Also I might have posted in the wrong thread.

I think you did.

But I'm curious, what fights do you think you need to single target, when multiple targets are present, and not AoE? I never saw a fight like that.

I mean..Maybe the first boss of Cutter's cry on the first big add, but our single target IS our AoE..

[pandabearcat]

Hmm, mostly thinking about AK, since thats what I've been doing the most of.

Generally, with a lower geared tank if you kill the first out of the tri-pack pulls its much easier for the healer to heal them up, esp if they again are lowered geared, so have worse AoE threat.

I never even thought about using miasma 2 for packs, it didn't seem worthwhile, and Tri-disaster is also a dps loss on 3 targets so i usually tridot contagion, shadowflare bane, then tab thunder and spam ruin.

I've had healers also spam Holy when the tank is well geared, so trash packs just melt.

EDIT: guess I will try miasma2 + contagion for add packs.

[Kevee]

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Yeah, after you DoT + Bane -> Shadowflare -> Thunder each target it's better to Miasma II than it is to Ruin. You can use Miasma II first if you want more damage ticking on each mob before you apply thunder, too.

That said for AK, no matter what gear level I haven't had someone that could consistently hold AoE aggro off throughout a whole run. So I'm normally tanking 1 mob of the pack which lightens the load on lower geared tanks. Sometimes the healers are lower geared and can't keep us both up, so I heal myself because all my AoE is already out there anyways.

[SublimeStylee]

My only real issue is that I first went Scholar but now because my FC is full of healers I've started the switch to Summoner. I like both classes but it sucks that I've already went and got my Scholar relic weapon. Wish there was a way to do the quest again as a Summoner. I understand that they share classes and all that but still makes me sad =(

[Kevee]

My only real issue is that I first went Scholar but now because my FC is full of healers I've started the switch to Summoner. I like both classes but it sucks that I've already went and got my Scholar relic weapon. Wish there was a way to do the quest again as a Summoner. I understand that they share classes and all that but still makes me sad =(

Wait, you can't do it as a SMN?

Why not? When you're SMN does he just not have the quest?

[Crescent_Dusk]

He does. I have my relic+1 on summoner and my relic on scholar. I also will have a relic on BLM so he must have missed the fact that he needs to be switched to the job he wants the relic for in order for the relic quest to be available from the NPC.

[SublimeStylee]

He does. I have my relic+1 on summoner and my relic on scholar. I also will have a relic on BLM so he must have missed the fact that he needs to be switched to the job he wants the relic for in order for the relic quest to be available from the NPC.

Oops! Yeah I was looking in Vesper Bay to start the quest as a Summoner, you just go straight to Gerolt to get it again.

[Deelo]

Endgame. Use Garuda or Ifrit?