Jump No Longer Necessary after Patch 1.17

[Betelgeuzah]

It's the classic "ordelle's caves" example. Few small, irrelevant annoyances are used to justify the development of a core game feature like it is.

[Shneibel]

After the patch went live last night and they announced that collision detection was adjusted I did some testing. I did this testing on both Miqo'te, Elezen, and Lalafell.

All characters of various heights now no longer have issues passing over or through terrain where there are slight deviations. IE A Root from a tree wont stop a player from running, instead they will automatically walk over it.


Most minor cliffs (Between knee high and shoulder high on Lalafell and Knee to lower thigh high on Elezen) can now be scaled or dropped from with ease. Only cliffs that would encompass the entire height of an Elezen are unsaleable in most situations. These would not be viable for jumping to clear anyway.

In effect most situations that would normally have been cleared by jumping now no longer act as obstacles to the player.

Yes there might be a few areas to tweak this still, But I did these tests in all three Town Zones without any difficulty in scaling "Jump-able Heights"

So in my opinion this is no longer a valid argument towards Jumping.

Jump does not have anything to do with collision, it is a system that require as standard for mmo nowday, get over it and stop make thread about jump already

[Alhanelem]

And even if it's only a few "small annoyances," that's not a reason not to do it. Plus it allows for future areas to be designed more with the features available in mind. One thing's for sure, I'm hoping there aren't going to be any one way passages created by putting a knee-high ramp in front of them ala east/west altepa desert or Yuhtunga Jungle or any of several other places in FFXI.

[Benji]

It's the classic "ordelle's caves" example. Few small, irrelevant annoyances are used to justify the development of a core game feature like it is.

A few small irrelevant annoyances on the game world? It's a 2011 MMO and we're still glued to the ground, that's ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense that we can't jump, it should have been in the game from the start.

Start thinking about the feature beyond just jumping for fun. There's a lot more they can do with it beyond just allowing us to jump over rocks and fences, although that's the main reason I'd like to see it added currently.

[Betelgeuzah]

And even if it's only a few "small annoyances," that's not a reason not to do it.

"We could do something else that has a greater impact on the game as a whole"?

It is quite a good reason not to do it.

It's a 2011 MMO and we're still glued to the ground, that's ridiculous.

And if that's all you can think of, it's only an attitude problem at worst. It's 2011, and some excellent recent action games don't have jumping either. If it's not needed, it's not included. Period.

[Cendres]

How about climbling? How about swimming? How about being able to do things that many MMOs offer creating a sense of being able to freely explore the world? This is why I keep my Age of Conan sub alive, so when I want to climb a roof top, a mountain or swim deep into a lake to find treasure, I can.

[Benji]

"We could do something else that has a greater impact on the game as a whole"?

It is quite a good reason not to do it.



And if that's all you can think of, it's only an attitude problem at worst. It's 2011, and some excellent recent action games don't have jumping either. If it's not needed, it's not included. Period.

Except this isn't other games. Jumping would fit excellently into 14 and the producer agrees. The feature is coming. Get over it. Why are you wasting so much time complaining about this? Just don't use it. There's plenty of people that will.

[Betelgeuzah]

The feature is coming. Get over it.

What here implies that I'm not "over it":

Jumping is still coming regardless. No stopping the wheels of advancement at this point. If you wanted to make a stand, you're too late.

I agree that jumping in this world is pretty meaningless. One can hope that they will change that a bit so the function won't be useless.

You started it, not me. That's not a complaint either, simply a statement (with a wish) that you couldn't deny after all. Yes, we are getting jump. Yes, it'll be useless at least initially. Yes, I am over it and was responding to the OP.

[Benji]

Useless to some, a blessing to others.

[Belial]

I couldn't care if SE decided to put a jump option into the game. The fact that it is getting this kind of attention and spurring insults/arguements, is so utterly ridiculous and entertaining. Seriously, you all look like tools.