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    Bard really?

    Ok, short and sweet.. Likely already been said but mine as well...

    Archer is cool DPS got it...
    Bard... Has no healing spell's
    Bard... Has songs but we must Stand RIGHT by people 1 song at a time.. Songs in which don't buff the BRD.
    Bard... Has a HEALING Limit Break... SE what one is it? healing or DPS?
    Bard... Males int he AF.. in High Heels come on can we make it JUST a dad more unisex here.. Tights got it roger.. but heels..

    I'm just saying can we pick which way bard is going to go DMG or BUFF's or Heals~ and focus that direction seems very lacked.. as in the responsibility/role of Bard. with Buffs but its meh with buffs we dont heal at all so Limit break being healing I don't get and.. dps Ok if that's the case Can we look the role? maybe some DPS songs other then TP.

    Final Words..

    FFXI Bard.. Bad ass.
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    its a support class obviously, thats why its a healing limit break. bard is not a healer so no healing skill but you can level con to get cure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinTama View Post
    its a support class obviously, thats why its a healing limit break. bard is not a healer so no healing skill but you can level con to get cure.
    Sure, a support class with no healing skills nor buffs other than "regen tp" and "regen mp" in a game where everyone hardly run out of mp or tp...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidah View Post
    Sure, a support class with no healing skills nor buffs other than "regen tp" and "regen mp" in a game where everyone hardly run out of mp or tp...
    Hm, Lancers and Pugilists are burst damagers that run out of TP. Conjurers can run out of MP if you're casting Esuna, Medica and Cure on everyone. Arcanists can get low on MP, and their MP replenish spell has a cooldown. Maybe if they buff the range of the Bard spells they would be more useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    Hm, Lancers and Pugilists are burst damagers that run out of TP. Conjurers can run out of MP if you're casting Esuna, Medica and Cure on everyone. Arcanists can get low on MP, and their MP replenish spell has a cooldown. Maybe if they buff the range of the Bard spells they would be more useful.
    It's almost impossible for an arcanist to run out of MP unless he's healing, DPSing and DoTing at the same time. And I said this because I've done it when in party with a bad conjurer. And even then it was only in a boss fight.

    Bottom line, if you are an arcanist who is running out of MP under normal circumstances... you are at fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidah View Post
    It's almost impossible for an arcanist to run out of MP unless he's healing, DPSing and DoTing at the same time. And I said this because I've done it when in party with a bad conjurer. And even then it was only in a boss fight.

    Bottom line, if you are an arcanist who is running out of MP under normal circumstances... you are at fault.
    I guess you aren't playing the class to it's fullest then, because with the dpsing and DoTing alone you'll be spending more mp than you get get back from the cooldown ability, oh and don't mention energy drain and it's enhanced trait, as once you get fester you'll be using your aetherflow charges on fester instead of energy drain for more damage. On top of that keeping up Bio II Bio 1 Thunder I and Miasma I costs quite a lot of mp at higher levels. Now i'm not saying it's a massive mp sink compared to how much you get back but if you use the aetherflow CD as soon as it comes back up you'll notice you are spending more over time than you are getting back, so in really long fights you'll eventually go out of MP unless you stop using ruin and that just means you are doing less damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinTama View Post
    its a support class obviously, thats why its a healing limit break. bard is not a healer so no healing skill but you can level con to get cure.

    What is it supporting? And with what? the 2 Bard Songs? It's not supporting anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zehl View Post
    You may be completely justified, I haven't seen many BRDs in my 2.0 parties, but in 1.0 they were how you described, and they were good to have around. BRDs can deliver the killing blow in a near wipe, they could Raise in a bind (I'm assuming they still can). They were good for getting chests in dungeons, flipping switches, etc. I think you have to enjoy being flexible, instead of playing it expecting to be some he-man of healing or duke of damage.
    You can't have whm as a sub any more so no heals to use as support for tight situations and no raise for back up raises, as for dps your not on the same level as the rest of the DPS said classes int he game, I also play bard as a main but not to.. Pull levers and switches and pick up chests..
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    Last edited by UllrHellfire; 08-29-2013 at 12:58 PM.
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    Vastly inferior to FFXI bard, but I think that type of support would not appeal to XIV players. Maybe the good old days of BRD/NIN tanking will be reborn in this realm someday, though!
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    I definitely feel that there Limit Break should be switched to a DPS one. I like that the class is a main DPS with a support side to it, gives the player at least some responsibility/alternative other than pure damage.

    That being said, SCH is now an even better support class so move aside Bards!
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    You may be completely justified, I haven't seen many BRDs in my 2.0 parties, but in 1.0 they were how you described, and they were good to have around. BRDs can deliver the killing blow in a near wipe, they could Raise in a bind (I'm assuming they still can). They were good for getting chests in dungeons, flipping switches, etc. I think you have to enjoy being flexible, instead of playing it expecting to be some he-man of healing or duke of damage.
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