Bard really?

[Rillifane]

It's almost impossible for an arcanist to run out of MP unless he's healing, DPSing and DoTing at the same time. And I said this because I've done it when in party with a bad conjurer. And even then it was only in a boss fight.

Bottom line, if you are an arcanist who is running out of MP under normal circumstances... you are at fault.

I guess you aren't playing the class to it's fullest then, because with the dpsing and DoTing alone you'll be spending more mp than you get get back from the cooldown ability, oh and don't mention energy drain and it's enhanced trait, as once you get fester you'll be using your aetherflow charges on fester instead of energy drain for more damage. On top of that keeping up Bio II Bio 1 Thunder I and Miasma I costs quite a lot of mp at higher levels. Now i'm not saying it's a massive mp sink compared to how much you get back but if you use the aetherflow CD as soon as it comes back up you'll notice you are spending more over time than you are getting back, so in really long fights you'll eventually go out of MP unless you stop using ruin and that just means you are doing less damage.

[UllrHellfire]

Bottom line here is BRD lacks direction yes it's flexible to a point 3 Songs, 2 help others which really don't help, DPS Yes they can do some good DPS but what's stopping you from just being an archer then " Rain of Death " pff hardly worth it unlike 1.0, YES I GET IT THIS IS 2.0 but still.. Is this DMG that far from just rolling archer. As for AF Ok got it some dudes like wearing heels or some places that's normal... I'm a realist A Highlander Hume male.. and other races.. I apologize as a grown man I don't want to wear tights and lil skirts and heels.. " Pick a deffer job " simply putt.. No, And as far as Healing Limit break it's out of place Most of the other classes have a limit break that for the most part does with there job. PLD giant stone skin, BLM Meteor, SMN a ION BEAM... So brd with no healing what so ever gets a Mass heal which looks Allot like the CON limit break? How about a AOE of all the songs~ or a Gnarly Arrow barrage.. just needs a little tweeking.

[Aegis]

You're about two years late, friend.

People complained about how bard should have been more support-focused and how it should have been its own class rather than being 'tacked on' to Archer as soon as it was released. In the transition to version 2 they have made it even less support-capable than it was before.

My sympathy doesn't lie with the Archers (whose job is of very limited use compared to other classes' jobs) since there is always a place in raids for ranged non-magical DD. My sympathy lies with those who really wanted to play BRD as it has always been in FF (and RPGs in general) as a pure supporting class.

[Darkov]

I'm happy that Bard is supposed to be a DPS job now, though Foe's Requiem is useless outside of boss fights because it agro's everything everywhere and the regen songs are really only needed when things go wrong and you need to help top up the healers MP or the tanks TP. Limit break needs to be changed to damage too.

Right now, Archer is simply better for everything but the boss fights when things go wrong. Bard simply doesn't add enough to the group or the Bard itself to justify it as a job, the other jobs all bring more to their base class and group.

[UllrHellfire]

You're about two years late, friend.

People complained about how bard should have been more support-focused and how it should have been its own class rather than being 'tacked on' to Archer as soon as it was released. In the transition to version 2 they have made it even less support-capable than it was before.

My sympathy doesn't lie with the Archers (whose job is of very limited use compared to other classes' jobs) since there is always a place in raids for ranged non-magical DD. My sympathy lies with those who really wanted to play BRD as it has always been in FF (and RPGs in general) as a pure supporting class.

And I agree I just wish they putt a little more effort into it, as to picking a role in which the job has. Id love to have BRD support role or like they did with Anarchist have it split BRD support Musketeer DPS. We shall see I guess.

[Chazychaz]

#1 I think BRD does need to be altered a bit because with the new Thaumaturge blizzard ability, you get insane MP regen as long as you have the buff on which defeats the purpose of MP recharge for the exception of the tank really.

#2 Players need to learn how to play BRD properly for the most part. in FFXI BRD was constantly running around the battlefield buffing each party member with a different buff. People have gotten lazy.

#3 Complaining about the AF? Anyone remember Dancer AF in FFXI? We all thought it looked awesome. No one complains that female characters are wearing 'male' clothing. Get over it.

[Juran]

I guess people don't practice theory crafting anymore. Here is why the way bard is currently is set up fine, if not awesome.

1. Bard + Scholar will be mandatory for endgame dungeons. Scholar's cool down reductions will result in people rapidly burning through their point wells, and bard will be needed to extend heavy burns on bosses/adds.

2. Bard has AOE and DoT attacks, this may not be support in the classic sense, but by keeping a constant pool of damage going on the entirety of a group, you are supporting the group by softening up everything in the fight.

3. buffs/debuffs.

Seriously, all of this stuff is right on XIVDB to look at and consider.

[UllrHellfire]

#1 I think BRD does need to be altered a bit because with the new Thaumaturge blizzard ability, you get insane MP regen as long as you have the buff on which defeats the purpose of MP recharge for the exception of the tank really.

#2 Players need to learn how to play BRD properly for the most part. in FFXI BRD was constantly running around the battlefield buffing each party member with a different buff. People have gotten lazy.

#3 Complaining about the AF? Anyone remember Dancer AF in FFXI? We all thought it looked awesome. No one complains that female characters are wearing 'male' clothing. Get over it.

First off Even if you did move around the songs would not matter, So as soon as the bard walks away and gives songs to some one else they come off the current ones so that's a invalid statement.
Second AF even in XI has sex specific changes



next flame....

[Inuakurei]

I guess people don't practice theory crafting anymore. Here is why the way bard is currently is set up fine, if not awesome.

1. Bard + Scholar will be mandatory for endgame dungeons. Scholar's cool down reductions will result in people rapidly burning through their point wells, and bard will be needed to extend heavy burns on bosses/adds.

2. Bard has AOE and DoT attacks, this may not be support in the classic sense, but by keeping a constant pool of damage going on the entirety of a group, you are supporting the group by softening up everything in the fight.

3. buffs/debuffs.

Seriously, all of this stuff is right on XIVDB to look at and consider.

This doesn't say anything...

1. Maybe true, we will have to see how it plays out.

2. We are talking about the BRD abilities, not ARC. The only aoe BRD has is Rain of Death and they have no DoT attacks.

3. This is very vague, but also the amount of mp drained by these BRD songs is too high. It's impossible to keep them up for longer than 60 seconds. They are also pretty useless for anything but a boss fight when any kind of mp or tp regen will even make a difference. I get that they aren't supposed to be kept up forever but once you do run out of mp then what? BRD has no built in way to regain mana so once your out of mana the BRD part of being a BRD goes away.

People don't mind BRD being a more dps centered role, just make the BRD part of BRD shine better.

FFXIV 1.23 had this at a good balance. In 1.23 BRD was about 60% dps and 40% support. Your songs when cast would put a buff on everyone around you that lasted for 2 minutes, and you could have 1 buff on at a time. So the idea was to buff mages > buff melee > dps for 2 minutes > repeat. There was no reason to mess with this play-style imo, it appealed to both people who wanted to dps and people who wanted to play a support role. Now it's more like BRD is 90% dps and 10% support.

[UllrHellfire]

This doesn't say anything...

1. Maybe true, we will have to see how it plays out.

2. We are talking about the BRD abilities, not ARC. The only aoe BRD has is Rain of Death and they have no DoT attacks.

3. This is very vague, but also the amount of mp drained by these BRD songs is too high. It's impossible to keep them up for longer than 60 seconds. They are also pretty useless for anything but a boss fight when any kind of mp or tp regen will even make a difference. I get that they aren't supposed to be kept up forever but once you do run out of mp then what? BRD has no built in way to regain mana so once your out of mana the BRD part of being a BRD goes away.

People don't mind BRD being a more dps centered role, just make the BRD part of BRD shine better.

I agree with most of this but BRD has DoT's and More then one AOE