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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by AamesxDavid View Post
    I'm sure SE is paying ArenaNet quite a bit for all of the features they stole from GW2, right?
    Ouch! Low Blow XD
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  2. #92
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    Everyone needs to calm down. Insults and bickering flying everywhere; it's really ridiculous. (Yeah, I know, welcome to the FFXIV forums, lol)

    Let's just not monetize the videos. Then Squeenix will leave us alone. Sound fair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AamesxDavid View Post
    I'm sure SE is paying ArenaNet quite a bit for all of the features they stole from GW2, right?
    I'm sure Arenanet is paying Rift and Warhammer for their features right?
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  4. #94
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    I think this link sums up my opinion on the matter: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...quares/cbxhgu5

    Direct quote of top comment from user /u/Vagabond_Sam (NOT ME):

    Let me preface this with the fact I subscribe to some channels on YouTube where people make a living out of Let's Plays and covering gameplay. I enjoy the content and I have purchased numerous games I saw debuted on them (Rogue Legacy, Guns of Icarus, They Bleed Pixels, Binding of Isaac and Awesomenauts)
    First, I think that those of us deep enough in the internet overestimate the effect these videos have on the AAA industry. While they are instrumental and a valuable addition to the indies and kickstarters companies like Square Enix, Electronic Arts and Nintendo don't really see a cumulative benefit. I'm happy to see evidence that there is a substatial effect on sales but I don't think Skyrim saw a leap in sales with _Sips started playing it.
    Secondly, from what I have seen (And I primarily watch Yogscast channels) the most successful and popualr videos are for sandbox, indie, competative or roguelikes. Minecraft and the hundreds of ModsG guns of Icarus, Dota 2, LoL. The recording and sharing of these games does little to detract from the marketability of the game. Watching people play these games, which are almost exclusively about the game play, engenders a yearning to participate and play as well.
    AAA titles from Square Enix have a significant story element that plays a major part in the franchises marketability. Being able to stream story quests and full game play throughs takes away from much of the suspense and pacing that makes the game enjoyable for a large part of the audience which is engaged by narrative. While they may, through their videos, attract new players they may also 'scratch the itch' just enough for others to watch and have enough of a hit. There is no imperical evidence to suggest that allowing their content to go out free is beneficial so the cautious route makes sense.
    Another note is copyright laws in the digital public sphere are not sophisticated enough to allow a company to protect itself in a robust manner. At what point is the line drawn between fair use and something that is mutually beneficial? What if someone uses character models and meshes etc to create an internet series that is not set in Eorzea? Is that fair to the artists who created it? It's less likely to benefit the game in anyway then Let's Plays so should it be out of the question?
    Those questions aren't easy so it's safer to just set the rule 'No Monetization' until the fair use clauses can be better implemented to deal with the new way publics share media with each other.
    This is a huge slap in the face to a lot of people who have invested themselves in this game over the past 3/4/5 months only to be told that they cannot continue covering the game if they wish to continue attempting to earn a living.
    My last point is why is it the responsability of Square Enix to provide third parites with content so they can make a living? No third party is responsability for my ability to earn a living.
    I respect it takes dedication and skill to create professional video content for a living, however like any small business owner your living is your responsability. It's one of the perks of the job. Plasticity and adaptability is the main skill these people need to remain viable and just because they monetised in such a way until now doesn't mean it will remian that way forever. Nintendo and Square Enix making these choices is a warning on how things might go in the future. So time to get those creative juices flowing and figuring out some scenario plans for the next 12 months to five years.
    •"It does not just kill "shitty LPs", it kills professional video critique"
    There are still benefits for professionals to create videos on triple A games as it can still create greater traffic to their channel and lead to more revenue based on views on monetized videos so both parites can actually argue the other benefits freely from the others content.
    Maybe they need to invest more time in self marketing to the companies instead of hust the audience. These big companies have insanely detail style guidelines for how they represent IPs that are decades old. Older then many of these YouTube celebrites so it should be a surprise when they want to protect the professional portrayal of IPs that are worth millions.
    Let me make this clear, what follows is an honest question as I don't know the answer. Have these people attempted to make professional contact with these companies in order to obtain permission and style guidelines to use the material to monetise it? Have they provided evidence to the rate at which listeners are informed by their services? Is the next step for the professional content creaters to work on the back end of their business now they have an audience? They seem to have this relationship with smaller devs (Yogscast seems to get some good access to various games by industry contacts) but do they need to start looking at ways to meet with larger ones as they grow?
    Bear in mind what gamers are asking for here, the rights to remix and reuse primarily someone elses content, would be immediately condemnd in other media formats. You can't even use a 30 second sample of commercial music as podcast intro/outro music. You can;t stich together tv shows with commentry and monetize it either.
    What gamers are currently asking for is an exception to the rule.
    if you want to ask for that then your rhetoric should be more impressive then "You can't do this because it's how we make a living"
    It needs to be "If you don't let me do this then you'll lose up to 100,000 players as typically 10% of my viewers will try games I play" Or 'I have 4 million subscribers, the value of that in traditional advertising is $x but I provide that in exchange for the right to monetize'
    I respect the right for them to fight for their living but I worry that they aren't making the right arguements (And most reddit comments on the topic are ill thought out 'This is BS I'm not playing the game anymore' or 'They can't do this, we won't allow it').
    Good luck on getting exposure though.
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  5. #95
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    What needs to happen is the rules need to be revised so that reviewers like TotalBiscuit and the like can actually do coverage of the game without breaking the rules. as it stands they can't even go near this game for fear of Squeenix going after them for it.
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    Let me preface this: I do youtube videos. Yeah, I admit it'd be cool to get paid exorbitant amounts of money to do nothing but sit in my room and make videos (which is what I do anyways). But I don't monetize anything.

    But let me put this shit into perspective here for you.

    In the absolute worst case scenario, you've got PewDiePie. I did some searching and some number crunching. Almost every one of PewDiePie's videos goes over at LEAST 1,000,000 views, so he makes about $15,000 - $23,000 per video.

    PewDiePie has 1422 videos.

    That shit adds up. $32 Million dollars.

    Obviously not all at once, god no, but over the course of a year or two, he's going to be a very very rich man.

    Is it any wonder people don't like that?

    It's the same thing with commercials and TV. You ever wonder why they blur out shirt logos and brand-name drinks in reality shows and live interviews? Yeah.

    What happened to people making videos and reviews for fun?
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTYONESIX View Post
    They can get away with it because people are making money off of their hard work. It isn't any different than WMG blocking songs in videos.

    Instead of throwing a fit, why not try coming up with some original content for Youtube, instead of shitting it up with even more uninteresting drivel (i.e. you playing videogames).

    We have reached a new low as a society when people are entertained by sitting at their computer watching other people play video games.

    EDIT: If you are standing by your initial accusation of this post, then you really are a fool. These "media personalities" are nobodies. Tom Brokaw is a media personality. Jon Stewart is a media personality. Bill O'Reilly is a media personality. Random dude playing video games who has exactly 0 notoriety outside of a few hundred or few thousand gamers is NOT a media personality.

    Also, if you don't have time to research or try out a game (especially an MMO) and have to trust other people to think and make decisions for you, how the hell would you have enough time to actually play it? That is the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone say.


    The internet in general is quickly taking over the usual popular media outlets, especially cable and the like. The audience doesn't determine whether someone is a media personality. Day9 is a media personality, as is Towelliee, the folks at Gamebreaker, Ciderhelm, the list goes on. They do a lot more than just 'play video games' many of them provide detailed guides and get deep into the core mechanics of the game in order to share that information with others whom don't have the time or patience to do the same. And they do it well. Some don't do any of the sort and are just popular because they're entertaining.

    In other words: Your synopsis is as ignorant as can be.

    What you need to grasp is, this isn't people just leeching off SE, it's a mutually beneficial relationship, and the statistics show that this is true.
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  8. #98
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    There are a number of game journalist, game commentators, streamers, etc... that make a perfect legitimate living covering games. The gaming community is better of for their existence. No one is asking you to do your job for free, why should you expect them to do theirs for free? This decisions is another example of SE being either indifferent or ignorant to their community and completely out of touch with modern gaming.
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    Oh ffs...this thread again? Stop being a crybaby b***h and deal with it. Stop trying to be a friggin bottom feeding leech and make your own money off of your own hard work. Do something that contributes to society instead of whining about how you can't make money off of SOMEONE ELSES hard work.
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  10. #100
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    I'm still not sure why people are making a big deal. Why should you get to make money off of Square's product? They put in far more hours making this game than you will making a video. I record gameplay and I don't expect to make money off of it. I also used to get paid by a company to take their footage of football matches and make compilations that they'd post to their official YT (like a weekly highlight thing) and it's not really that hard to do? I was surprised I was even paid. Just get a real job.
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