Buff Enkindle - Summoner spell

[Kevee]

You forgot in order to hit that Potency they have to run their course, which is between 15-30sec, in that time any decent BLM/MNk can outdmg you :P you will only hit a max of ~260p with all yours dots+pet for every 3sec or so. Although it can be higher if you use both your dmg cd for your pet.

The thing you don't get is that is ALWAYS our damage.

Other people have phases or attacks where they do much less. The potency for BLM drops, severely, during UI and that is a significant time of their rotation.

High Single target? have you done the math? Because I have. With the 4 dots + Thunder you only hit a total of 255 potency (and that's including 100p from basic attack from your pet). That's 5 spells+pet that have to be casted and kept on the target. Meanwhile BLM have have spells with 200p higher with fire. or Flare. Even a WHM can compete in terms of dmg with their Holy, + Aero II >_>
Keep in mind that in order for us to hit that 255p we have to cast 5 different spells, and time is dmg.

fyi every 3s it's a minimum of 145(DoTs) + 80(ruin i/ii) + 100/120 depending on pet. So that's 325-345, not including fester/energy drain, or CDs. And that's GURANTEED damage, which is way higher than any other class can put out atm consistently.




Edit: Oh, and this isn't even factoring in Shadow Flare because I don't have it yet. Only 47.

Edit2: And don't forget the Raging Strikes + Contagion combo for a lot more than 20s of increased damage on our DoTs.

[Cariborne]

I find their damage doesn't really seem very high because it takes a bit for all their dots to get up, but once they're there... bosses melt.

[silenthill27]

Miasma 2 seems more utility based, IE, you get agro and have mobs on you, pop it (instant cast) and they all get the slow debuff while you run away to your tanks loving arms

But yes, please buff enkindle, it seems very underwhelming on a 5min CD (although if you pop spur and rouse 80% extra damage is what like 540 potency?) I think CD should be lowered, not damage increased

[JonnyBigBoss]

I had a feeling this ability wasn't any good. I'm really glad I stopped playing SMN in the 30s.

[Braxy]

SMN is the last thing that needs a buff.

First off, Ruin and Ruin 2 do low damage because SMN is a DoT class, and all of the DoT damage added together combined with a more powerful base spell would skew SMN way beyond the other dps classes. Your pet's base spell makes up for the difference in damage from BLM and WHM base spells.

Second, the only thing wrong with Enkindle is the cooldown. It should be 1 min, but I assume the reason it is so long is so that you can't stack Rouse+Spur every time you use it.

Third, Tri-Disaster is low damage because it's bind utility, not meant to be AoE damage.

Finally, buffing any of the above complaints would make SMN even more overpowered than they currently are in PvP.

[Exstal]

SMN is the last thing that needs a buff.

First off, Ruin and Ruin 2 do low damage because SMN is a DoT class, and all of the DoT damage added together combined with a more powerful base spell would skew SMN way beyond the other dps classes. Your pet's base spell makes up for the difference in damage from BLM and WHM base spells.

Second, the only thing wrong with Enkindle is the cooldown. It should be 1 min, but I assume the reason it is so long is so that you can't stack Rouse+Spur every time you use it.

Third, Tri-Disaster is low damage because it's bind utility, not meant to be AoE damage.

Finally, buffing any of the above complaints would make SMN even more overpowered than they currently are in PvP.

09-01-2013 12:01 PM

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[BlueMage]

The DOT+pet class has less burst than the nuker class? I am shocked! This needs to be fixed immediately!

[shinros]

Crescent don't bother you will always have people who say the class is fine when its clearly not even the person who made that knowing the summoner topic and admitted they do lower damage than the other dps classes and they are not meant to be dps but support. You know how funny that sounds?

Who the hell rolls a dps class to be support? Heck bard has support skills yet they still do crazy dps and the pets suck. I picked summoner for the pets not to play a poor mans warlock/necromancer.

Plus who's idea was it to make the dots 15-30 seconds? Considering the nature of the endgame fights you need to be able to put out damage quickly.

[abesut]

Crescent don't bother you will always have people who say the class is fine when its clearly not even the person who made that knowing the summoner topic and admitted they do lower damage than the other dps classes and they are not meant to be dps but support. You know how funny that sounds?

Who the hell rolls a dps class to be support? Heck bard has support skills yet they still do crazy dps and the pets suck. I picked summoner for the pets not to play a poor mans warlock/necromancer.

Plus who's idea was it to make the dots 15-30 seconds? Considering the nature of the endgame fights you need to be able to put out damage quickly.

Playing Summoner right now, feels like playing as a affliction warlock from WoW x) where I don't care if my pet dies as well, since its downright worthless in terms of dmg, and there "Speciel moves" abilities on 30-60sec cd is just BAD. 'Wow Garuda did 90 dmg on those 3 mobs at the same time, they only got 4k hp >_>'

[Valignor]

I dont mind the low burst but please make our dots instant.