Seriously 3-5 minute repop on NMs?

[CrystalWeapon]

I know that. I'm suggesting 30 minute windows as some sort of compromise, however.

It still wouldn't solve anything besides creating a mass of competition within the spawn windows as it was in XI. I don't get a sense of accomplishment quick claiming over 5 or so other parties. I get a sense of accomplishment when I kill something with a duo or trio that should take a whole party or more to kill. As mentioned earlier even XI is throwing away this notion of spending hours waiting for NMs.

I also don't really get this idea that everyone wants things spoon fed to them by having short timmers. If a NM takes 14 people to kill and takes 16 hours to spawn, guess what if that same nm took 30 mins to spawn, it would still take 14 people to kill it. It doesn't reduce the difficulty whatsoever. It just means the nm is alot more accessible regardless of your own personal play window. I love no lifing in mmo's, but I was never good at the waiting game. I feel annoyed sitting around waiting to kill something. That's time I could be using to farm, level, etc... It's even more annoying when you spend an entire night waiting for something to be outclaimed multiple times in a row on a nm that has a 1~3 hour repop.

[Visch]

Come on though. Leaping Lizzy was ridiculously easy anyway, the only challenge was when it was extremely over camped by RMT. There were TWO spawns for it, which were completely independent, which often resulted in Lizzy repopping within the 5 minute window.

And the hour cooldown?

[Sorel]

I'm not suggesting that long repops should be implemented globally, but rather only for the absolute strongest HNMs.

OK. But wouldn't the absolute strongest HNMs have other requirements to spawn in addition to the timer? If so, wouldn't having that timer be 3 to 5+ hours be excessive?

[Clydey]

It still wouldn't solve anything besides creating a mass of competition within the spawn windows as it was in XI. I don't get a sense of accomplishment quick claiming over 5 or so other parties. I get a sense of accomplishment when I kill something with a duo or trio that should take a whole party or more to kill. As mentioned earlier even XI is throwing away this notion of spending hours waiting for NMs.

I also don't really get this idea that everyone wants things spoon fed to them by having short timmers. If a NM takes 14 people to kill and takes 16 hours to spawn, guess what if that same nm took 30 mins to spawn, it would still take 14 people to kill it. It doesn't reduce the difficulty whatsoever. It just means the nm is alot more accessible regardless of your own personal play window. I love no lifing in mmo's, but I was never good at the waiting game. I feel annoyed sitting around waiting to kill something. That's time I could be using to farm, level, etc... It's even more annoying when you spend an entire night waiting for something to be outclaimed multiple times in a row on a nm that has a 1~3 hour repop.

I have explained that it's about scarcity. To some people, the rarity of these fights is part of the appeal. It's not part of the appeal to you, and that is absolutely fine. But like I said, it is pointless vilifying those who do enjoy that aspect of the game. It is all about personal preference. I can beat you over the head with that I like all day, but it won't change what you like. No one is wrong here.

[Clydey]

OK. But wouldn't the absolute strongest HNMs have other requirements to spawn in addition to the timer? If so, wouldn't having that timer be 3 to 5+ hours be excessive?

No, just shorter windows. I haven't spent a great deal of time thinking about pop conditions, but I'm open to new ideas.

[Abriael]

And the hour cooldown?

Waiting doesn't add anything to a challenge. It adds to boredom.

I have explained that it's about scarcity. To some people, the rarity of these fights is part of the appeal. It's not part of the appeal to you, and that is absolutely fine. But like I said, it is pointless vilifying those who do enjoy that aspect of the game. It is all about personal preference. I can beat you over the head with that I like all day, but it won't change what you like. No one is wrong here.

Pushing to reduce access to content for other paying customers, whether intentional or not (and most of the times it's intentional) is still in effect a damaging attitude that deserves criticism.

[Betelgeuzah]

I have explained that it's about scarcity. To some people, the rarity of these fights is part of the appeal.

And that rarity can be achieved through other means- like making the encounter so difficult that it can't be done without proper preparation and even then there's a good chance you won't win. And if you win, you are one of the few that get to do so.

That is much healthier way to promote rarity.

[Clydey]

Waiting doesn't add anything to a challenge. It adds to boredom.



Pushing to reduce access to content for other paying customers, whether intentional or not (and most of the times it's intentional) is still in effect a damaging attitude that deserves criticism.

I'm not doing that. Everyone would have access to it. My chance of claming would be no greater than someone who plays a couple of hours per day.

[Clydey]

And that rarity can be achieved through other means- like making the encounter so difficult that it can't be done without proper preparation and even then there's a good chance you won't win. And if you win, you are one of the few that get to do so.

That is much healthier way to promote rarity.

I am all for that. I just don't want excessively short repop timers for the stronger NMs. I don't want to be able to fight Jormy every 2 hours. That takes away from the experience, at least for me.

[Abriael]

I'm not doing that. Everyone would have access to it. My chance of claming would be no greater than someone who plays a couple of hours per day.

Greatly lovered chances to fight the mob -> Greatly lowered accessibility.

As already said, there's no escape from that. In effect, by advocating a mechanism that considerably lowers the chances to get to fight a mob, you lock out people from the chance to fight it and enjoy content that should implemented for everyone.