Hamlet Defense?

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Not once did I say FFXI was next gen, you should read my post again, in order to truly make a next gen game they needed to learn from XI and the mistakes they had made in that game, and what made that game playable still. Its business, if you don't learn from the past, wtf do you learn from?

They did learn. FFXIV is a thousands times better than FFXI.

People who want FFXIV to harken back to FFXI have had their way and now we are getting auto-attack. Yay! Auto-attack, that's so next-generation it hurts! Let's bring this game into the next generation with auto-attack!

So how many up-and-coming games have auto-attack again? Oh yeah, like none. Because it's shit.

All of the systems in FFXIV were a response to the ones that failed in FFXI.

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They did learn. FFXIV is a thousands times better than FFXI.

People who want FFXIV to harken back to FFXI have had their way and now we are getting auto-attack. Yay! Auto-attack, that's so next-generation it hurts! Let's bring this game into the next generation with auto-attack!

So how many up-and-coming games have auto-attack again? Oh yeah, like none. Because it's shit.

All of the systems in FFXIV were a response to the ones that failed in FFXI.

I don't want FFXI-2, or a time sink, I'm asking for basic UI features or text commands that its player base found convenient and hoped would show up in the next game. Auto-attack I think is better than spamming one or two, or whichever button it is people spam, but they shouldn't half ass auto attack, that would ruin the game harder, they need to seriously rework stamina before just slapping auto attack in there. Just because you don't like auto-attack doesn't mean everyone doesn't, I am a mage so I don't really see how its useful for me, but I'm sure there might be a dd or tank who wants it.

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I don't want FFXI-2, or a time sink, I'm asking for basic UI features or text commands that its player base found convenient and hoped would show up in the next game. Auto-attack I think is better than spamming one or two, or whichever button it is people spam, but they shouldn't half ass auto attack, that would ruin the game harder, they need to seriously rework stamina before just slapping auto attack in there. Just because you don't like auto-attack doesn't mean everyone doesn't, I am a mage so I don't really see how its useful for me, but I'm sure there might be a dd or tank who wants it.

The UI is a joke, but FFXI's was just as awful, and as has been said a million times, they are already working on a new UI anyway.

And if people think auto-attack should be implemented just because it will be "useful" then they need to reassess their priorities. A combat system should be designed toward fun, not convenience and usefulness. TERA, GW2, Blade & Soul are all leading the field in active-combat and SE has decided, at the behest of every FFXI fan that can't get over the past and move on, to regress back into combat mechanics from 2001.

Nice one. Way to go FFXI fans.

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The UI is a joke, but FFXI's was just as awful, and as has been said a million times, they are already working on a new UI anyway.

And if people think auto-attack should be implemented just because it will be "useful" then they need to reassess their priorities. A combat system should be designed toward fun, not convenience and usefulness. TERA, GW2, Blade & Soul are all leading the field in active-combat and SE has decided, at the behest of every FFXI fan that can't get over the past and move on, to regress back into combat mechanics from 2001.

Nice one. Way to go FFXI fans.

Maybe if thats the way you feel then this won't be the game for you. Because a lot of concern about spamming actions is that we can't talk to our party members while doing it. As a RDM in XI i never used auto attack because it wasn't convenient no mage did except blu. What's fun for you may not be fun for the majority of FFXI fans, and this game was made for FFXI fans first, because they sat through 8 years of a game made by the same company. If you like action based games go play TERA, GW2, Blade & Soul, or w/e (btw blade and soul looks kinda good I won't hate, I just don't like art design, I'm not opposed to a action based game, i just don't think that's the only battle design that offers strategy proven by FFXI and how that game has more strategy than most mmos out to this day)

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Maybe if thats the way you feel then this won't be the game for you. Because a lot of concern about spamming actions is that we can't talk to our party members while doing it. As a RDM in XI i never used auto attack because it wasn't convenient no mage did except blu. What's fun for you may not be fun for the majority of FFXI fans, and this game was made for FFXI fans first, because they sat through 8 years of a game made by the same company. If you like action based games go play TERA, GW2, Blade & Soul, or w/e (btw blade and soul looks kinda good I won't hate, I just don't like art design, I'm not opposed to a action based game, i just don't think that's the only battle design that offers strategy proven by FFXI and how that game has more strategy than most mmos out to this day)

The 10,000 that want to chat up miqotes while they fight instead of actually fight are the minority in the MMO community at large.

People want an engaging combat system that reflects... you know... actual combat.

Lol, chatting while fighting, get real.

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The 10,000 that want to chat up miqotes while they fight instead of actually fight are the minority in the MMO community at large.

People want an engaging combat system that reflects... you know... actual combat.

Lol, chatting while fighting, get real.

I liked chatting while fighting in XI, everyone did it. We'd all end up asking each other to the party in auto translate one person would say "oh crap" in the party chat, and we'd all figure out we were american's and we'd laugh about it a little bit, then start chatting about stuff in general. If you're in a linkshell with your friends you do chat while fighting in XIV it just now happens over vent, if FFXIV had come standard with some kind of voice chat system I could see a whole action based combat being in this game, but it didn't, they expected you to type to people to at least convey basic things to them while partying, and it was awkward to try and type to people with this current system.

edit: on a side note games that are action based lets say like DCUO are really limited in the amount of abilities you can equip at one time, even more so than FFXIV, if they had kept the amount of actions we could equip low (alpha closed beta action costs), that's more on par with action based games.