Thank you SE for sticking to your guns and NOT opening up new servers!

[Raist]

Why would SE auto-kick idlers when there's Sanctuaries that grant rest bonus to ppl who idle around them?
They not going to auto-kick anyone. They need to add more servers and/or separate NA from EU.
You are retarded for thanking a company for causing grief to their players. I bet you were that one kid in school who always volunteered to take names in class while the teacher steps out.

Talk about a brainfart of a design decision if you are concerned about congestion/stability. Why would you incentivise AFK activity like that?

You get rested bonus for logging out in Sanctuary areas and inns... don't have to sit around idle. I've done it a few times now. Had a real nice chunk of bonus XP to burn when I got on for EA because I got booted from Beta while I was in Horizon... hehe.

[Eripha]

Ignore them, Merix. The people talking right now are not the vast majority but the loud and select few. They're butthurt because they couldn't use a product before it was even officially released, and they're not intelligent enough to realize that Technical Issues do exist and are not easy to resolve. They would learn if they tried for two seconds to ever fix their own problems, but these are the people that yell at everyone else for their own issues that they've created.

Besides, even if they "run off" like they're all threatening to do (because they honestly believe that all of Square Enix is busy reading their forum post and not working to resolve the problems at hand) they'll be back in a week. They wouldn't be so irate if they didn't want to play the game, and worst case scenario they'd see their friends playing it two weeks from now and jump on the bandwagon.

I mean, just look at them begging square for refunds. Most of them didn't buy their product from Square and if they told Amazon or Gamestop that they bought a product and then were not permitted to use it by the manufacturer, they'd get a refund in seconds. It's just proof that they're petty and not serious about what they're saying.

And yes, you are absolutely right about the servers, by the way. This is a subscription based system with a relatively cheap introduction cost (the cost of the game itself). So if Square presents a product that works upfront and then falls apart, they'll lose more money then presenting one that can sustain but is... quirky... at release.

And besides, adding virtual servers (which is exactly what everyone here is referring to, whether they realize it or not) will not magically generate more physical server space at Square's data center, and installing physical servers takes a great deal of time and effort (at least if you want them to work correctly. Believe me, IT is my career.) So splitting up the in-game servers would only spread the problem out. Their data center would still have the same bandwidth and the same capacity.

So, to everyone who yelled at Merix for not having any real business sense: Have fun working McDonalds for the rest of your life. Your crazy opinions are the reason you're not the ones developing multi-million dollar franchises like this one.

FINALLY! Someone who talks some sense! And In the harsh reality of things if SE did listen to the players and did everything the players wanted I can see how that is going to go: "OH my #%$^%@ god!!! Why does SE fail so much?! They never listen to us!"

It is a sad sad cycle that will continue to repeat itself. Will people ever trully be satiated by something? Probably not. They will only find things to rage and whine about more as in real life. You guys need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled two year olds and have some patience.

[Raist]

Umm... @ Bearracuda... The game was supposed to be considered launched on 8/24 for all intents and purposes. Yoshida-san has been presenting it to EA participants as such for some time now. Even basically said so in the last Live Letter.

What was delivered on the 24th was what they were putting forth as the final product--they had no intentions of patching it prior to the official public launch on the 27th. They applied roughly a 1.6GB or so patch to it from Beta to Final version used for our private early access launch, and were planning to run with that same client all the way through the official open launch. By extension, SE considered this as the official launch version of the game, and the producer encouraged the players to consider it as such as well.

[Zythrone]

Ignore them, Merix. The people talking right now are not the vast majority but the loud and select few. They're butthurt because they couldn't use a product before it was even officially released, and they're not intelligent enough to realize that Technical Issues do exist and are not easy to resolve. They would learn if they tried for two seconds to ever fix their own problems, but these are the people that yell at everyone else for their own issues that they've created.

Besides, even if they "run off" like they're all threatening to do (because they honestly believe that all of Square Enix is busy reading their forum post and not working to resolve the problems at hand) they'll be back in a week. They wouldn't be so irate if they didn't want to play the game, and worst case scenario they'd see their friends playing it two weeks from now and jump on the bandwagon.

I mean, just look at them begging square for refunds. Most of them didn't buy their product from Square and if they told Amazon or Gamestop that they bought a product and then were not permitted to use it by the manufacturer, they'd get a refund in seconds. It's just proof that they're petty and not serious about what they're saying.

And yes, you are absolutely right about the servers, by the way. This is a subscription based system with a relatively cheap introduction cost (the cost of the game itself). So if Square presents a product that works upfront and then falls apart, they'll lose more money then presenting one that can sustain but is... quirky... at release.

And besides, adding virtual servers (which is exactly what everyone here is referring to, whether they realize it or not) will not magically generate more physical server space at Square's data center, and installing physical servers takes a great deal of time and effort (at least if you want them to work correctly. Believe me, IT is my career.) So splitting up the in-game servers would only spread the problem out. Their data center would still have the same bandwidth and the same capacity.

So, to everyone who yelled at Merix for not having any real business sense: Have fun working McDonalds for the rest of your life. Your crazy opinions are the reason you're not the ones developing multi-million dollar franchises like this one.

Well said. Most people posting have no idea how things like this actually work.

[Stumbleina]

Ignore them, Merix. The people talking right now are not the vast majority but the loud and select few. They're butthurt because they couldn't use a product before it was even officially released, and they're not intelligent enough to realize that Technical Issues do exist and are not easy to resolve. They would learn if they tried for two seconds to ever fix their own problems, but these are the people that yell at everyone else for their own issues that they've created.

Besides, even if they "run off" like they're all threatening to do (because they honestly believe that all of Square Enix is busy reading their forum post and not working to resolve the problems at hand) they'll be back in a week. They wouldn't be so irate if they didn't want to play the game, and worst case scenario they'd see their friends playing it two weeks from now and jump on the bandwagon.

I mean, just look at them begging square for refunds. Most of them didn't buy their product from Square and if they told Amazon or Gamestop that they bought a product and then were not permitted to use it by the manufacturer, they'd get a refund in seconds. It's just proof that they're petty and not serious about what they're saying.

And yes, you are absolutely right about the servers, by the way. This is a subscription based system with a relatively cheap introduction cost (the cost of the game itself). So if Square presents a product that works upfront and then falls apart, they'll lose more money then presenting one that can sustain but is... quirky... at release.

And besides, adding virtual servers (which is exactly what everyone here is referring to, whether they realize it or not) will not magically generate more physical server space at Square's data center, and installing physical servers takes a great deal of time and effort (at least if you want them to work correctly. Believe me, IT is my career.) So splitting up the in-game servers would only spread the problem out. Their data center would still have the same bandwidth and the same capacity.

So, to everyone who yelled at Merix for not having any real business sense: Have fun working McDonalds for the rest of your life. Your crazy opinions are the reason you're not the ones developing multi-million dollar franchises like this one.

Thanks for saying this Bearracuda. However, it seems clear from the posts right after yours that people either aren't reading and comprehending what you're saying, or they're too angry about the situation to LET themselves understand.

The fact is that there ARE enough servers for everyone, and even if SE decided to put a bunch more on, they wouldn't get anywhere near as much use as the ones that are currently getting the most problems because people don't want to leave their servers.

As mentioned before, AFK timers would help reduce the load, but I do not buy the yelling and screaming about how extra servers would fix the issue. It just doesn't add up.

Edit: And just so that I am clear, I am definitely ticked off that this head start didn't pan out well for a whole lot of people - myself included. I think they could have done a lot of things so much better, and it's a shame that it's been rife with problems. I have seen quite a few MMO launches, and it's been one of the worst I've seen. It's not been enjoyable at all, and I think I've spent more time trying to log in than actually enjoying the game. I do not think that some of the solutions (like more servers) will fix the issues, and I think people aren't really looking for facts - but a place to voice their frustrations. And I can understand that too.

[Raist]

Thanks for saying this Bearracuda. However, it seems clear from the posts right after yours that people either aren't reading and comprehending what you're saying, or they're too angry about the situation to LET themselves understand.

The fact is that there ARE enough servers for everyone, and even if SE decided to put a bunch more on, they wouldn't get anywhere near as much use as the ones that are currently getting the most problems because people don't want to leave their servers.

As mentioned before, AFK timers would help reduce the load, but I do not buy the yelling and screaming about how extra servers would fix the issue. It just doesn't add up.

Edit: And just so that I am clear, I am definitely ticked off that this head start didn't pan out well for a whole lot of people - myself included. I think they could have done a lot of things so much better, and it's a shame that it's been rife with problems. I have seen quite a few MMO launches, and it's been one of the worst I've seen. It's not been enjoyable at all, and I think I've spent more time trying to log in than actually enjoying the game. I do not think that some of the solutions (like more servers) will fix the issues, and I think people aren't really looking for facts - but a place to voice their frustrations. And I can understand that too.

Think you actually missed an important part of what he was saying.

The use of Virtual Servers.

They aren't actually adding servers in the sense everyone is thinking... which is why I never really was comfortable with using them on big projects that you know are going to consume resources like there is no tomorrow. Great for testing with, but when it comes time to go live and put the rubber to the road, you better be prepared to throw more hardware at it.

So, in a way... technically both sides are half right and half wrong. They need more PHYSICAL servers installed (or at least taking the physical servers down to increase physical resources) and possibly more bandwidth as well to overcome some specific bottlenecks that can only be exasperated by throwing more virtual servers at the problem.

Think of it this way. You are low on RAM---need to allocate or install more ram where it is falling short. If you allocate hard drive space to supplement physical memory (swap file)... sure, the application runs but at a performance cost because you are thrashing your slower hard drive instead of using physical memory (you can see this phenomon in action during a torrent by simply changing disk caching options). Another example is the difference between a graphics card that shares system memory versus one with it's own dedicated memory on-board--it's stealing resources from one part of the system (often lower bandwidth to boot) to supplement another subsystem that has come under heavy load. Sure.. it works... but one obviously performs considerably better than the other.

[Stumbleina]

Think you actually missed an important part of what he was saying.

The use of Virtual Servers.

No, that part of his argument was not lost on me.
I think if more of the hardware that is supporting the low population Japanese servers was allocated to NA/EU, there would be good results. Adding more servers in the sense that people are thinking (virtual) won't do anything. Clearly, if there was more or better hardware things would likely run smoother. But that would take more than just shutting servers down for some maintenance to accomplish.

[Tonetzu]

It is not fun waiting to play with friends... people I know got EA just to set up on the same server. The servers have been locked since beta4.. I love the game and dont mind most issues right now but I have friends that cant play or they hav to play on another world... not fun... transfers, no one really knows when that will happpen... rumor is 2 months... its sad cause I know ppl that will not buy cause they cant play with friends... u may say qq and we dont need them but its still sad. Most NA servers locked before it even launched...

[kelsethel]

Ok I give up this community is just full of bunch of morons @boobacuda and any other fanbois, really you guys think during the weekend putting up more servers would have been a bad idea cause these people are just gonna play and leave anyway WTF are you guys smoking really.
I'll be truthful though I bought the pre-order and canceled as soon as it took me 2 hours just to get my EA code this in itself is a joke and i have been checking this forum just for updates on just how bad this launch is and its starting to seem like to me the smart ones have left and all that's left are morons good job square really you found your target audience. I was gonna buy this game if they had fixed all the problems but it seems they pissed so many people off that im thinking a lot of people have left so actually MERIX is right GOOD JOB SQUARE ON GIVING AWAY MONEY next time you want to launch a MMO can you throw the money you don't want my way OMFG idiots.

[Merix]

Ok I give up this community is just full of bunch of morons @boobacuda and any other fanbois, really you guys think during the weekend putting up more servers would have been a bad idea cause these people are just gonna play and leave anyway WTF are you guys smoking really.
I'll be truthful though I bought the pre-order and canceled as soon as it took me 2 hours just to get my EA code this in itself is a joke and i have been checking this forum just for updates on just how bad this launch is and its starting to seem like to me the smart ones have left and all that's left are morons good job square really you found your target audience. I was gonna buy this game if they had fixed all the problems but it seems they pissed so many people off that im thinking a lot of people have left so actually MERIX is right GOOD JOB SQUARE ON GIVING AWAY MONEY next time you want to launch a MMO can you throw the money you don't want my way OMFG idiots.

Well, considering not all of the servers now are full, and 90% of the server bitching is coming from people who can't join 3 of the servers while 6+ sit able to be played on at any time shows that new servers would not be the answer.