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  1. #161
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    Kaldaka's Avatar
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    Why should people get paid to play their product?
    It's you paying them to play with their toy, not the other way around
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  2. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stebs View Post
    On another note.
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    Guidelines for Music and Sounds

    -You may only use music as it is incorporated in FFXIV;

    -When showing gameplay, you may not replace the FFXIV music with third party music;

    -You may not play FFXIV music alone (i.e., without accompanying gameplay footage), or
    with third party materials;

    -You may not use the song track entitled "Answers."
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    That is just sad.

    http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...la=1&tag=authc
    Whaaaa!!? This is sad. Well, there go my plans to make my own videos!! Am I allowed to listen my own music when playing or is that a crime too haha kidding.

    But really meh its just YouTube...you can just use twitch instead lol. Its not the same but its something!
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  3. #163
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    It figures the person named after a LoL hero is the one complaining that you can't profit off recording yourself playing an MMO
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  4. #164
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    Really not a big deal. If anything i'm glad SE is limiting all the terrible Youtube FF videos I'v seen. Especially the fan made FF11's (sorry if I offend)
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  5. #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babydoll View Post
    Whaaaa!!? This is sad. Well, there go my plans to make my own videos!! Am I allowed to listen my own music when playing or is that a crime too haha kidding.

    But really meh its just YouTube...you can just use twitch instead lol. Its not the same but its something!
    Nope you can't its for all media usage.
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  6. #166
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    Well, I know of special someone's that got nda lift permission during beta, they are monetizing their videos, is it illegal or you are trating some you tubers with special tos?

    I think this restriction is non-planned, makes no sense this is not Nintendo for Christ sake... I mean not only no monetization but you can't put music over the games music? A bit too much restrictive perhaps...

    And to people saying it is ok, no it is not, if you actually watch videos in YouTube, professional ones... These people most of the time make a living from this content, now the problem is they made a huge wall for this game and all content that could've been created, look at mr. Happy and xiv nation, they won't make any money from their efforts. It just seems wrong like it is now.

    Lift monetization/music restrictions.

    /signed


    Quote Originally Posted by AamesxDavid View Post
    The solution here is really simple: if you refuse to make a video unless you can monetize it, then make a video about a different game. I'd love to hear your evidence that it's "hurting the game" meanwhile digital sales have been suspended because too many people are trying to play. FFXIV is doing just fine without you making money from videos about it. People who don't monetize their videos will be more than happy to get the views you would have had.

    As for music, I'm personally thrilled about the lack of FFXIV AMVs, and death metal playing over a LP video.

    Now, I'm not in favor of this measure. But I also don't see how it negatively affects the game/community.
    Problem is, it does not affect the game itself, they already got the free advertisement from all the different community content creators during beta. They even allowed some people to make videos WHICH are being monetized during BETA, so this just makes me think they are treating some people with different terms of service, which in my point of view, is not a correct thing to do.

    Let me point some content creators that will be directly affected by this: YogsCast, XIV Nation (GameBreakerTV, Mr. Happy, Magic Mann), and all the streamers out there that make a living from entretaining people, will not name them because I'd never finish lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arixtotle View Post
    I am fairly certain this will not apply to XIVnation. Firstly, this only applies to using the Youtube partner program or similar programs on other video sharing sites. GBTV does not use those programs. They have sponsors. Which is completely different. Secondly, as an internet TV channel they're professional enough to pay a licensing fee to SE to be allowed to do more things with content.

    As for Mr. Happy, his video about this really annoyed me because he's ignoring that he can monetize in other ways. All he has to do is ask for donations to help fund his videos and it doesn't break this license agreement.
    I'd not be too sure of it, all YouTube videos of XIV Nation always have inside advertisement / sponsors, which is monetization. It is a huge issue for them, and I am against this. It simply is not fair for someone who lives from informing, entertaining, and such to be slapped on the face on launch. I mean, if they added this restriction before early access started I'd say, ok, they will now decide if they want to continue or not, but it was added on release, when everyone has been charged and when NDA got lifted. I mean, seriously?

    I just checked it again and it does say strictly YouTube partner program and such, it will affect Mr. Happy atleast from XIV Nation, streamers I'm still not sure.

    On a side note, the music restriction is plain stupid, sorry for the word, but it is.


    Square Enix, I know you're all raging because people extracted information from your files, I understand it, but restricting self-content creation? seriously? next what, we can't make art of Final Fantasy because of the copyrighted material? I know the special unique database that there is of FFXIV at the moment broke into the files which shouldn't been done, but it's common, I mean hackers even get into FBI... and you seriously expect to see your files untouched? Yes, add the rules you want, but I don't see them dropping the ball because of "some rules". Sorry, that's how Internet works nowadays.
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    Last edited by Hagito; 08-30-2013 at 12:51 AM.

  7. #167
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    The solution here is really simple: if you refuse to make a video unless you can monetize it, then make a video about a different game. I'd love to hear your evidence that it's "hurting the game" meanwhile digital sales have been suspended because too many people are trying to play. FFXIV is doing just fine without you making money from videos about it. People who don't monetize their videos will be more than happy to get the views you would have had.

    As for music, I'm personally thrilled about the lack of FFXIV AMVs, and death metal playing over a LP video.

    Now, I'm not in favor of this measure. But I also don't see how it negatively affects the game/community.
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  8. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagito View Post
    [...]look at mr. Happy and xiv nation, they won't make any money from their efforts.
    I am fairly certain this will not apply to XIVnation. Firstly, this only applies to using the Youtube partner program or similar programs on other video sharing sites. GBTV does not use those programs. They have sponsors. Which is completely different. Secondly, as an internet TV channel they're professional enough to pay a licensing fee to SE to be allowed to do more things with content.

    As for Mr. Happy, his video about this really annoyed me because he's ignoring that he can monetize in other ways. All he has to do is ask for donations to help fund his videos and it doesn't break this license agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hagito View Post
    I'd not be too sure of it, all YouTube videos of XIV Nation always have inside advertisement / sponsors, which is monetization. It is a huge issue for them, and I am against this. It simply is not fair for someone who lives from informing, entertaining, and such to be slapped on the face on launch. I mean, if they added this restriction before early access started I'd say, ok, they will now decide if they want to continue or not, but it was added on release, when everyone has been charged and when NDA got lifted. I mean, seriously?

    I just checked it again and it does say strictly YouTube partner program and such, it will affect Mr. Happy atleast from XIV Nation, streamers I'm still not sure.
    The way it is worded means that you can easily argue in a court of law that it applies ONLY to direct monetization based on views. Which is why I'm fairly certain it does not apply to XIV Nation. Though I don't personally know if they actually use the YouTube partner program or not, I just know they are sponsored by Audible and Netflix. Due to that I can't see them using the partner program since it is not needed.

    Yes it does effect Mr. Happy, which is why he posted a video complaining about it. I just personally think he's complaining about nothing since, while he can't use that specific program, he can utilize other ways of making money. I feel like most of the whining is just about having new rules and not being able to make money without a bit more effort. It just annoys me that people are bitching about how these video makes can no longer make money off things they create and yet what SE is trying to do is make money off what they have created. Think of it this way, it would be illegal to take a movie and edit it and then charge people to view it in the "real" world wouldn't it? Same rules apply here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hagito View Post
    On a side note, the music restriction is plain stupid, sorry for the word, but it is.
    Now THIS I do agree with. I dislike the music restrictions as well as the mash up restrictions because it basically kills Machima for FFXIV ARR.
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    Last edited by Arixtotle; 08-30-2013 at 01:27 AM. Reason: Stupid post restrictions...

  9. #169
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    Intellectual property is such a scam. As are most laws passed by governments.
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  10. #170
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    No one's saying that SE doesn't have a perfect legal right to do this. What people are saying (and I agree with) is that as fans of the game who want FFXIV to succeed, all but killing off grassroots marketing is a spectacularly bad idea.

    I've never put a video on YouTube, much less made money off of one. But SE's lawyers and execs are just not living in the 21st century here, and probably don't know the first thing about gaming culture. They're blind to the sheer mass of people who pick up a game because they see a well-produced video that makes the game look fun to play. A game's fans are by far the most loyal and effective marketers the company has. If SE would allow monetization, they would make far more money on the additional sales and subscribers such videos would generate. The worst fate a game can suffer is to be ignored--and I'm hardly saying that will happen to FFXIV, but by that token, fewer talking about it is bad while more people talking about it is good.
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