New Job System Incoming!!! - But what does this mean??

[Anathiel]

Was waiting for bluegartr or /b/ to pop up...and both in one post, well played sir.

I'm not sure what people are argue'ing (sp) about anymore. Wouldn't it be great if everybody pooled all their idea's together and made a 20,000 person strong thread instead of bickering? That's just my thoughts. Talent tree's are very feasible in carpe's system, we've just been referring to it by a different name. And carpe's system fits really well into kuro's system. Why the fight?

And the whole only one job should have one role? That's garbage, its outdated and needs to go away.

[Abriael]

And the whole only one job should have one role? That's garbage, its outdated and needs to go away.

Because that role is needed in an extremely limited number for each situation, unlike every other role. This means that the more jobs are able to perform that role, the more people that are *specialized* in that simply won't have a role.

Thief/Dancer doesn't have Utsusemi. 0.o How can it abuse it.

You missed the "and similar" part.

[Kurokikaze]

From a designer/balance perspective. One job having one clearly defined role is a lot easier to manage content around. Than trying to plan for the unlikely combos that came out of FFXI.

DRK/NIN, NIN/DRK, BRD/NIN, RDM/WAR etc tanking Tiamat. <---- I've seen all of this first hand - not making this up.

[Cairdeas]

From a designer/balance perspective. One job having one clearly defined role is a lot easier to manage content around. Than trying to plan for the unlikely combos that came out of FFXI.

DRK/NIN, NIN/DRK, BRD/NIN, RDM/WAR etc tanking Tiamat. <---- I've seen all of this first hand - not making this up.

Ingenuity and Imagination should be fertilized not napalmed.

[Kurokikaze]

Ingenuity and Imagination should be fertilized not napalmed.

LOL that is all.

[Abriael]

Ingenuity and Imagination should be fertilized not napalmed.

Especially when they lead to making a whole specialized class obsolete in it's own role right?

And here i thought that I read somewhere than the lack of class specialization was a problem in this game. Maybe I misread?

[Kurokikaze]

Especially when they lead to making a whole specialized class obsolete in it's own role right?

And here i thought that I read somewhere than the lack of class specialization was a problem in this game. Maybe I misread?

^ You know its bad when we're both on the same page. lol

[Abriael]

^ You know its bad when we're both on the same page. lol

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Scary...

Being serious now: ignoring the problem is the worst thing to do. Things aren't necesarily looking bright for Gladiators in this game either.

Luckily this game seems to have a team and a lead that actually listens. I seriously doubt they'll do the same error that the FFXI team did, legalizing and supportingwhat could only be defined as an exploit and screwing up the whole class system in the process.

You'd have to in XI.

Not a good reason to actually import in FFXIV all the flaws of FFXI

[Jinko]

Sounds like specialisation to me. (hopefully not sub jobs)

Conjurer - White Mage, Black Mage, Summoner (maybe one day)
Pugilist - White monk, Thief, Pirate
Gladiator - Dark Knight, Paladin

And so on.

[Jericho]

Somewhere on here someone said something along the lines of stripping away the abilities from the weapons and making it so with weapon ranks you're only learning weapon skills, and putting the abilities into the jobs that you'd need to rank to obtain. I can see how something such as "Ferocity" doesn't make sense to be a skill that someone learns by gaining experience with a polearm... Mesh them together the way physical rank and class rank are now. That sounds good.

It also sounds extremely similar to ffxi. Oops.