Lancer not able to roll "need" on lancer gear.

[Cadwgan]

I don't like the fact that EA deems themselves the experts on gear selection. If it says LNC, a lancer should be able to roll need. Not having that choice is a step closer to pigeonholing people into roles and removing gear selection even further.

All rings and earrings are labelled as "All jobs", does that that mean LNC should be able to lot on INT earrings on par with THMs and SMNs? Hell no, they have no use for the stat.

DD gear lacks parrying as a stat, tank gear generally lacks determination and/or skill speed at lower levels. The game itself pidgeonholes you into a role, if you wanted to be a tank, you'd level a tank, not gimp it up on LNC and lose hate to a "DD" marauder using lower defence gear.

A pair of hands that would have been an upgrade for my PLD dropped, they had higher defence than my current, couldn't need it, they were statted towards DDs, did I cry? No, I waited for tanking gear to drop and lotted on that instead.

[benje]

It would be different if it was outside of an instance you would beable to pick it up and equip it just fine. The implementation of only being able to roll on gear that would benefit your class (Stat wise) is good imo it saves people in dungeons rolling on stuff that would be a lot better suited to a different class. The fact you can wear it as well as the gladiator is fine as if you find that piece solo you can still equip it.

[Starkbeaumont]

still seems odd since I guess we are talking about the warden's barbut here. it doesn't fit the the common tank gear rule where def and m.def are equal. also def is lower than the lv23 normal item, doesn't sound tankish to me.

do you happen to have needed before on that run?

Edit:

I would say they are talking about http://xivdb.com/?item/2721/Doctore's-Chain-Coif the dorctore's chain coif considering he said it gave him a +8 to both mdef and def which is indeed a tank helm and gives him determination and parry which is deffinetly tank orientated.

but that would drop in halatali

[benje]

I would say they are talking about http://xivdb.com/?item/2721/Doctore's-Chain-Coif the dorctore's chain coif considering he said it gave him a +8 to both mdef and def which is indeed a tank helm and gives him determination and parry which is deffinetly tank orientated.

[Hoobala_Boobala]

The issue with the tank not able to need on DoW gear isn't the same as the LNC not rolling on chainmail class gear. Tanks are supposed to wear Heavy/chainmail gear from the start and are never supposed to wear light armor, LNC/DRG evolve to wear chainmail gear as they level and then are supposed to wear heavier armor (see our relic armor) --> which I think is the issue as the rolling rules don't change.

way gear seems to work is:
Cuirass = tank (war/mar/gla/pld)
Chain/scale mail = heavy DPS (war/mar/gla/pld/lnc/drg)
Harness = light DPS (disciples of war)

LNC starts off using light dps gear but ~25 start getting heavy DPS gear. If the heavy gear has LNC/DRG in list of jobs it IS meant for LNC and we should be able to roll for it.

[Kurasoryu]

The issue with the tank not able to need on DoW gear isn't the same as the LNC not rolling on chainmail class gear. Tanks are supposed to wear Heavy/chainmail gear from the start and are never supposed to wear light armor, LNC/DRG evolve to wear chainmail gear as they level and then are supposed to wear heavier armor (see our relic armor) --> which I think is the issue as the rolling rules don't change.

way gear seems to work is:
Cuirass = tank (war/mar/gla/pld)
Chain/scale mail = heavy DPS (war/mar/gla/pld/lnc/drg)
Harness = light DPS (disciples of war)

LNC starts off using light dps gear but ~25 start getting heavy DPS gear. If the heavy gear has LNC/DRG in list of jobs it IS meant for LNC and we should be able to roll for it.

As I said on my post reporting this bug (had to do it, due to this one not following the template, and sometimes support can be really picky about that)
"And now, before everyone starts saying "omg noob, that gear is meant for tank, QQQQ"
That gear, is for heavy dps, because they're also allowed to build dps for solo purposes mainly, if they so desire, that doesn't mean, they ought to be able to get it before us, because, infact, our dps is higher, if anything, they should be the ones able to greed it, and not need it. And for everyone who still feels like saying BS

Lvl < 30: -Disciple of Magic
-Disciple of War
-Gladiator & Marauder

Lvl > 30: -Disciple of Magic
-Disciple of War
-Gladiator & Marauder & Lancer (Gives less def than the one below) <----- HEAVY DPS GEAR
-Gladiator & Marauder (Gives more def than the one above) <----- TANK GEAR

Hope that explains how things work, peace"

[DSN]

I noticed this myself on my PLA with a shield, I could not roll need on it although it was GLA / PLA / XXX / YYY / ZZZ
Looking closely at the stats although the item CAN be equipped by a PLA / GLA the stats were not for that class, it was full of MND and INT more for a CNJ / WHM / BLM / THM setup. I assume this is why I could not 'need' the item.
Just because you CAN equip it does not mean you SHOULD and it may be a better fit for someone else in your party who gets to roll Need instead of Greed.

[Edrie]

I was playing LNC in Halatali. A helm that could be used by LNC and I could not 'NEED' loot. The item would be a significant upgrade in defense. I disagree with some comments about it being "tank" gear. There are a lot of instances that I have to solo in the game and would benefit from this increase in defense. If my job is listed on the item, I should be able to 'NEED' loot it period.

[Ormathon]

I also got the problem that i cant roll on mail gear. Even if the mail gear got accuracy and skill speed, nothing tanky about that. This run in Cutter's Cry the tank got 2 armors , just becouse i couldnt roll on them, and he did not really need any of them!

That just makes no sense at all that the tanks get priority on loot that is not even really for a tank. Not to mention if i greed, EVERYONE else in the party can greed and get it.
And since you cant trade items that you got as loot for the duration of the instance or something, it screws us over from getting good gear even more.

[manoque]

Hi. PLD tank here. I had the same issue. A lot of the dungeons I run items drop that clearly a full upgrade. I understand the reasoning but the item does specified what class can use it. Initially, I thought this was just for "Disciples of War" rated item. Then, in Vigil, I saw a helm drop, and clearly state GLD MRD PLD ETC. I can't roll Need on that. The other team members were Disciples of Magic.. so.. even in that case, you can't roll Need on it.

The fact of the matter is, if an item is suited to a particular class only, the filter of the item should only list that class.

I strongly believe that this is a bug.

Below is an example of an item I won with "Greed" and cannot "Need" as an example.