The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Ashthra]

No, you need to have a lot of NoDoze or a bot (which was often the more likely of the two).

And again, casuals are not automatically bad players. They're just players who either: 1) don't have large chunks of uninterrupted time to devote to a game, and/or, 2) prefer playing at their own pace instead of getting involved in high-yield, fast-paced progression. That doesn't mean bad. That means different.

And seriously, who necro'd this damn troll thread? ><

[twinkles]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

I LOLed hard on this one. It's a harsh generalization but has a bit of truth to it.

[indira]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

thats BS. some true. but still a stereotype.
all you need is 2-3 hours a day or week to really get stuff done and i doubt thats going to interfere with anything in someones life. people spend more time doing nothing.

Casual = people who just want to kill time.
Hardcore = people who actually play the games and are really gamers.
elitist = A** H**e's who have no life and the game is there real world.

[Spellbinder]

if the game gets hard the casuals will leave then we wont have to worry about them.

Being able to camp a NM spawn for 24 hours straight is not a challenge.

Being able to defeat a NM that requires concentration, skill, strategy and cooperation IS a challenge.

well when you camp a 24hr NM you need to have skill to kill it.

Forget the terminology of casual and hardcore for a second, sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting on a 24hr NM has nothing to do with the skill required to kill the mob as Rentahamster was trying to explain. It could spawn on a 72hr, 24hr, or a 30min timer, being in a group that is skilled and well coordinated to kill is what sets people apart.

It shouldn't even be an argument about "casual" versus "hardcore", it's a matter of content that's too easy or challenging.

[twinkles]

Forget the terminology of casual and hardcore for a second, sitting around twiddling your thumbs waiting on a 24hr NM has nothing to do with the skill required to kill the mob as Rentahamster was trying to explain. It could spawn on a 72hr, 24hr, or a 30min timer, being in a group that is skilled and well coordinated to kill is what sets people apart.

It shouldn't even be an argument about "casual" versus "hardcore", it's a matter of content that's too easy or challenging.

Love of hate WOW , but they did a wonderful job of balancing content. I'm really not fond of outdoor, long drawn out spawns, because you're rewarding zombie mode behavior. When you raid (whichever game you're in) , you go right to the content, regardless of being easy or hard.

Ulduar was a great example of balanced content,you could go in with descent group and clear it, but hardmode was substantially harder. I'm not saying this is how SE should do it, but just giving an example of how the two can coexist.

On the topic of casual vs hardcore vs elitist, i think its way more grey area than people might think. I could be "casual" one week per RL requirements and "hardcore" the next. As for elitism, there is a super fine line between "hardcore" and "elitist", both play the game as most agree quite a lot, it's really the attitude of the player in regards to others that makes them elitists.

[Tempestmoon]

First things first, Casuals do not = hardcore players. Even Yoshi agrees.

So what's the deal? Why is it that casual players feel that they should have the same awesome gear that the hardcore players have? This is absolutely beyond me. The more effort you put into something the greater the reward.

There is no point crying and whining over this one way or another, Right out of the gates this game was promised to appeal to casual and hardcore players. It will happen, it is happening and everyone should be equal in the opportunity they have in the game, regardless of play style/time.

Casual Gamers are a (soon to be) Paying customer base, and are in no way more important or less important then hardcore gamers, other then the fact that casual gamers probably out number hard core gamers 5/1. Sounds like a good Business decision to me.

Don't get me wrong in all of this. Everything should not be handed to casual players on a silver platter, but things need to be obtainable for them as well.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

IMO this all comes down to group management. Is up to the loot master to decide who gets what... :P

[TirionCrey]

This has nothing to do with Casual or Hardcore.

The more you put into it, the more you'll get out of it. This applies to everything in the world and if it wouldn't NOBODY would put anything into anything!

Players who demand to get the same out of something while putting only half as much into it as others are just selfish A-holes and need to learn how things roll in life. Despite this being a game, basic rules apply to everything in the world, even if it's a game, so if you can't deal with that then quit.

If I spend 5h a day hiking, I will be a more advanced hiker than a person who hikes for 2h a day...
If I spend 5h a day wall climbing, I will be a more advanced wall climber than a person who does it 2h a day...
If I spend 5h a day motot crossing, I will be a more advanced motor crosser than a person who does it 2h a day...
If I spend 5h a day taking care of my child, my child will be a more advanced child than a person who does it 2h a day...
If I spend 5h a day throwing a ball against a wall, I will be a more advanced ball against wall thrower than a person who does it 2h a day...

And now stop that stupid argument that games are not work, so therefore they shouldn't be treated as work...If you do something that you LIKE and ENJOY and put time into it to get BETTER, it's always the SAME as work, except that work is something you don't neccesarrily enjoy! THAT'S the ONLY difference. As soon as you do something for the sake of getting better, it's work! If you don't want to invest that much time as someone who treats it as "work", then don't expect to get the same out of it than that person.

[weeble]

There is no point crying and whining over this one way or another, Right out of the gates this game was promised to appeal to casual and hardcore players. It will happen, it is happening and everyone should be equal in the opportunity they have in the game, regardless of play style/time.

Casual Gamers are a (soon to be) Paying customer base, and are in no way more important or less important then hardcore gamers, other then the fact that casual gamers probably out number hard core gamers 5/1. Sounds like a good Business decision to me.

Don't get me wrong in all of this. Everything should not be handed to casual players on a silver platter, but things need to be obtainable for them as well.

they may be 5/1 but that 1 out of 5 are the people that set everything up in the mmo' world, they make the parties while u afk, they the ones u wait for invite to dungeons for. no matter how easy the content gets most casuals are sitting on there tuckis still waiting for others to do things for them. also when that 1 out of 5 leave or join up together then the content gets even more and more easier cause amazingly the content ain't easy enough, cause it has to be so easy u can go and solo it real quick cause ain't a one of u with the motivation to do anything. but hey maybe once a weekend for 2-3hours the mmo world will be live and kickin, woot. the devs thanks you for your monthly check and shit on real players.

[Visch]

And seriously, who necro'd this damn troll thread? ><

LOL, you would be mad look at you. I laughed hard.