The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Kazimir]

Sure, but at the end of the day, it needs to be their choice, not yours, or anyone elses what path it goes down. Tanaka didn't listen to beta testers....last time I checked Tanaka isn't running the show anymore. Let Yoshi make the game he wants to make, and just chill out with this stupid MOAR CASUAL bs....it's a game, if you don't like it....again, you have TONS of other options. It's not like XIV is the only MMO, or the only game, on the market right now.

I mean, I could sit here and throw back that XI caters towards hardcores more than casuals, and that game is pretty damn popular, and has been for years. You don't need WoW sub numbers to have a good game....or even a successful one....that logic is a tad bit flawed. You don't need to cater to the "largest playerbase"....lol, which, last time I checked, the largest playerbase in XI, isn't casuals, and all those folks, including myself, have been loyal customers for years. Most of the "fans" are XI vets, so....yea, I'll just end my post right there, I don't think anymore needs to be said.

But then again, like I said, if it gets more casual....well, whatever, I have other things I can play. Cause I won't be playing a game that gives everyone hand-outs just for logging in and running outside of a city for an hour a week, and I don't even play for that long....maybe 2-3 hours an evening, if that....and I still manage to have fun in this, or XI.

Preach my brotha, preach!

[Kazahashi]

Preach my brotha, preach!

Lol, I'm serious man, the logic is just plain stupid.

"I want to login an hour a week and have the same stuff as the person that plays 8 hours a day"

How in the hell does that make ANY sense at all? I mean, even in single player RPG's (like FFVII), if I only spend an hour a week playing, I won't be that far in the game, and I also probably won't have the time or effort to sit down and grind so I can beat all the secret bosses and stuff....it just...makes NO sense to me how these people can use that logic, at all. Maybe you guys that just can't handle having to actually WORK for something need to go play some Farmville or something similar. I don't play nearly as often as the hardcores do, and I love the hardcore style of MMO....it gives me something to WORK towards and for, regardless if it takes me longer, or hell....even if it takes me months.

[Rentahamster]

Sure, but at the end of the day, it needs to be their choice, not yours, or anyone elses what path it goes down. Tanaka didn't listen to beta testers....last time I checked Tanaka isn't running the show anymore. Let Yoshi make the game he wants to make

Agreed, but if Yoshida makes the same mistakes that Tanaka did, e.g. not listening to player feedback, then we might not see success. Not to say that he should give in to any and all player demands - far from it. Some of the player-generated ideas are horrible. I have confidence that Yoshida has a good sense of design to filter out the good from the bad.

But then again, like I said, if it gets more casual....well, whatever, I have other things I can play.

What I was getting at in my last post was that the casual vs. hardcore paradigm is not a zero-sum game. Adding more "casual" content does not necessarily take away from the experience of the "hardcore", unless the implementation is flawed.

Hopefully this time, they can get a feeling for what the fans want to play, and make a game that can cater to the largest playerbase possible without leaving any particular niche of gamers feeling ignored or marginalized.

My approach to game design is that you can have a system in place that on its face is simple, yet has great depth and complexity should you choose to further your investment in the game.

Take chess or checkers, for example. Both games have fairly simple rules, and anyone can play casually, yet there is also a large base of "hardcore" players and grandmasters who show us the infinite complexity of such a simple game, provided you have the skills to back it up.

This same concept applies to video games too. Take Street Fighter - A simple game with simple rules that casual players enjoy immensely. However, there is also a group of hardcore players who enjoy it just as much as the casuals, and derive their own entertainment from the game as well.

Chess, checkers, Street Fighter, whatever game it is, if it's GOOD, it'll accommodate all types of players, both casual and hardcore.

I believe that Final Fantasy 14 can be fixed in such a way as to make the game fun, first and foremost, but also have a simple yet deep gameplay that everyone can enjoy, regardless of their "casual" or "hardcore" label.

[Chardrizard]

Lol, I'm serious man, the logic is just plain stupid.

"I want to login an hour a week and have the same stuff as the person that plays 8 hours a day"

How in the hell does that make ANY sense at all? I mean, even in single player RPG's (like FFVII), if I only spend an hour a week playing, I won't be that far in the game, and I also probably won't have the time or effort to sit down and grind so I can beat all the secret bosses and stuff....it just...makes NO sense to me how these people can use that logic, at all. Maybe you guys that just can't handle having to actually WORK for something need to go play some Farmville or something similar. I don't play nearly as often as the hardcores do, and I love the hardcore style of MMO....it gives me something to WORK towards and for, regardless if it takes me longer, or hell....even if it takes me months.

find an exact post that says anything close to that, because i never read anything like that, you are just generalizing every casuals.

if someone plays 1hour a week, yes they cant expect to to be far in the game but they want an option to be able to obtain those, even if takes months, but they are working for it. NO ONE EXPECT **** TO BE HANDED TO THEM EASILY bolded for emphasis.

i am not casual myself, but this is just dumb. Also, this game has been market'd as a very casual friendly game, if hardcores cant take the casual-ness then find another game, omg backward logic is fun right?

[Kazahashi]

Renta,

That's true, and you aren't one of the casual whiners I was discussing. However, casuals aren't happy with both sides of the fence, if you read any of the topics here, most casuals are all "Casual or nothing" or something similar....it's pathetic, and my only answer to them if I was the developer would be "You can always play something else". It's one thing to be like "Just balance both" and it's another to be like "If I can't have the same stuff as hardcore players in the same amount of time I'm going to throw a tantrum".

Chard,

Just stop, I'm tired of arguing with your logic....welcome to my ignore list....because I've argued with you till I'm blue in the face, and you still come at me like some rabid dog. And if you were capable of reading, you'd see that I said, if the game gets too casual I WILL GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!! OMG SO HARD RIGHT?!?! Jesus....backwards logic my ass.

[Alicia_WM]

ITT: Buttdevastation from "hardcores."

[Kazahashi]

ITT: Buttdevastation from "hardcores."

It's a good thing I'm not "hardcore" then....

[Xeno]

find an exact post that says anything close to that, because i never read anything like that, you are just generalizing every casuals.

if someone plays 1hour a week, yes they cant expect to to be far in the game but they want an option to be able to obtain those, even if takes months, but they are working for it. NO ONE EXPECT SHIT TO BE HANDED TO THEM EASILY bolded for emphasis.

i am not casual myself, but this is just dumb. Also, this game has been market'd as a very casual friendly game, if hardcores cant take the casual-ness then find another game, omg backward logic is fun right?

This isn't just dumb, I see posts like this all the time. You ever wonder why the surplus system exists?

[Chardrizard]

did you just get all butthurt because i asked you for a proof to backup your nonsense claim?

This isn't just dumb, I see posts like this all the time. You ever wonder why the surplus system exists?

to slower the progress of getting to max rank? how does that even relates to whatever is happening here lol, hardcores will still be ahead of everyone even with surplus.. i know i am ahead of my casual friends.

[Kazahashi]

No Chard, I'm "butthurt" and have you on ignore cause you come at people like an ass and talk to them like they don't know anything. Welcome to the internet dude, land of opinion.