The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Ava]

I researched and practiced for a week for this test and I got a C, but that person over there didn't study at all and they got an A, how unfair! I deserve the better grade because I was more hardcore about the test.

Grow up people. >.> It's a game and we're all playing the same game. Time = efficiency, if you're hardcore and put 10 hrs into a NM when a "casual" waltz's in and kills it in 1 hour, then in my personal opinion, the casual is the better player and should be rewarded accordingly. People need to step off their high horses.

[Abriael]

Casuals paid for the game exactly as much as the hardcore. Like it or not.

[Randis]

this is nothing about harder, this is just some stupid issue because some people feel the need to reintroduce extensive camping to FFXIV. HNM

Casual=people who want to have the best gear in game but only have 1 hour to play a week/wish they had time to get skill
Hardcore=people who have a lot of free time so they actually earn the best gear in the game/are the most skilled

see that is BS.

Casuals are just people who play the game whenever they have time. they do not want the same gear or anything you claim. I am active on this forums and i can not recall a single thread where people demanded such nonsense.

Stick to the truth.
Some camping elitist LS wanted to have 24h NM pops, people were against it and they started flaming everyone.
that has nothing to do with casual gamers wanting to get easy rare items. it is simply about people being sick of outdated broken game mechanics, camping and botting. People were all for rare items but would rather have NM pop faster in exchange to lower drop rate and possible other methods to obtain rare items. People live in different time zones and do not wish to get up at night to camp.
I would first want to see some prove to your claim. Link some threads on this forum that show what you try to portray.

[TheVedis]

Casuals paid for the game exactly as much as the hardcore. Like it or not.

how much you pay for a game doesnt dictate how good your gear has to be compared to someone who plays more then you

[Magiksmurf]

Please define hardcore and casual, cos i get the feeling that your thread is inspired by the recent NM discussion where everyone who was against 24 nm pop was flamed by a some camping fetish LS.

Hardcore = accomplishment (gear) comes with hard work...
Casuals = i don't have time to play so gimme everything at level 1

I really hate casuals its cause of em MMO's get screwed since companies want to please everybody Wowcraft is a very good example.

[Abriael]

how much you pay for a game doesnt dictate how good your gear has to be compared to someone who plays more then you

it should dictate what you have access to, and that "what" is "everything".

Hardcore = accomplishment (gear) comes with hard work...
Casuals = i don't have time to play so gimme everything at level 1

Strawman argument. No one is asking for "everything at level 1"

Moreover, most "hardcore" have an idea of "hard work" that equates to "waiting in a spot for multiple hours, getting bored to death while doing nothing at all, while the mob spawns". Which is absolutely laughable.

[Rentahamster]

There's a lot of confusion recently since the terms "causal" and "hardcore" mean different things to different people.

IMO, the best rewards should go to the players with the best skills.

IF "casual" = "not skilled" and "hardcore" = "skilled", then yes, the best rewards should go to the hardcore players.


But, if "casual" = "can only play 1-5 hours a week" and "hardcore" = "plays 5 hours a day", then the best rewards should go to either player, since time spent playing this game is not at all an indicator of intelligence, strategy, skill, and cooperation. In this definition, if both players are of the same aptitude, they will both reap good rewards eventually, with the hardcore player getting them sooner on account of more time spent in game.


In the end, the good stuff should be rewarded to the players who are good enough to overcome challenges, regardless of how much time they are able to stay logged in.

Being able to camp a NM spawn for 24 hours straight is not a challenge.

Being able to defeat a NM that requires concentration, skill, strategy and cooperation IS a challenge.

[Nilheim]

First things first, Casuals do not = hardcore players. Even Yoshi agrees.

So what's the deal? Why is it that casual players feel that they should have the same awesome gear that the hardcore players have? This is absolutely beyond me. The more effort you put into something the greater the reward.

You don't understand what it was about. "Casual" players don't really care if they don't get the best gear ever. And I agree that the more effort you put in, the faster the reward should come. Things are wrong when you can't even progress towards the gear you want.

In FFXI, you could obtain your Homam gear much more easily than you could obtain, say, your Adaman Hauberk. Do you know why? Cause anyone who really wanted to give it a shot could eventually obtain the Homam gear through hard work. The Adaman Hauberk was different. It forced you to have a shitload of time where you didn't progress at all, and where you did absolutely nothing (cause camping = doing nothing). Three hours of doing that almost every day of the week is NOT a good idea when you play a game. Yes, it's a game, sorry for the shock.

[Jynx]

Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.

I have to say thats the worst classification of Casual Vs Hardcore that I have ever heard.

It's not a matter of time spent it's a matter of how you aproach the game. Casuals tend to take it slow and easy doing things how they want when they want. Hardcore players generally rush to the finish. there are alot of ways to explain if you are a casual or hardcore MMO player, but flat out generalizing the Hardcore players as

"Neckbeards" is flat out insulting. Perhaps you are mixing up Hardcore players with Elitist players.

[TheVedis]

it should dictate what you have access to, and that "what" is "everything".



Strawman argument. No one is asking for "everything at level 1"

Moreover, most "hardcore" have an idea of "hard work" that equates to "waiting in a spot for multiple hours, getting bored to death while doing nothing at all, while the mob spawns". Which is absolutely laughable.

the only thing that seperated casuals from hardcores is simple
time played


if something takes 100 hours of playtime to reach, then yes, both still have access to it, so there is no need to change it
the fact hardcores will get there sooner doesnt mean its unfair to casuals


doing stuff like "hard mode fights" is the truely "casual unfriendly" aspect of games(im looking at you wow)
just making stuff take a while to earn and reach doesnt make it casual unfriendly, or unfair to casuals at all, they can still get there.....eventualy