The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Ilean]

If some players can't live with the fact that there's gonna be content they might not see if they don't have the skill to participate in it, they should just deal with it and watch videos of groups that are able to kill them lol

Agree.

As long as this distinction is based on gaming skill, not on leechParentsFoodAndLiveInTheBasement skill.

[LanikMueller]

So long as I dont have to go thru the same type of hell to get a fully upgraded sword like the XI dynamis weapons Im all game for hard work to get the top notch gear. But there is a point that things start becoming beyond absurd.

[Ilean]

So long as I dont have to go thru the same type of hell to get a fully upgraded sword like the XI dynamis weapons Im all game for hard work to get the top notch gear. But there is a point that things start becoming beyond absurd.

Chinese gold farmers have to eat too!

[Jericho]

Not everyone that has many hours a day to play leeches in their parents house and doesn't have a job. Maybe some of us went to college for 8 years, did awesome, and now only have to work 3-4 days a week for 70k a year. And maybe we're not very attractive so offline girlfriends are basically out of the question. 168 hours a week - 28 hours of work - 49 hours of sleep - 16 hours to eat = 75 hours a week of play time.

Really though, this game won't be made for those kinds of people. We/they will run out of things to do. Things may be difficult but nothing will be time consuming. Thats why I bounced.

[Seif]

Casuals honestly are really loud to want thing from this game but because they're usually people with very little if any playing or game-design experience THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER HOW THEIR WISHES WOULD REALLY AFFECT THEIR ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME.

For example death penalty: sure having no fail-state in a game might sound fun because who likes punishment right? It's only the people who design games or have been playing for a long time that can see how the risk and reward balance is tightly formed by the fail-state.

Sure casuals want crafting to be simplified to mashing one button but anyone who has played MMO's knows that an MMO is such a big time commitment that if there's no depth of gameplay to discover one can do the vegetative monotonous activity only for so long and definitely won't pay 10+$/month to do it.

While I don't think it's wrong to ask for these thing I honestly would like to think there's some people at SE who can see the big picture (their latest products don't give much hope though) and makes these decision based on wat makes a good game not what the casuals want.

[Renshi]

Even though I'm casual, I want this game to be achieving, adventurous and most important: HARD.
Not at this level (I mean, what's that onslaught of purple sh*t!), but it has to have things that let me down when I play, like death penalties, planning strategies even though I'm a Leeroy-type player,...

[Seikninkuru]

Casuals honestly are really loud to want thing from this game but because they're usually people with very little if any playing or game-design experience THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER HOW THEIR WISHES WOULD REALLY AFFECT THEIR ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME.

For example death penalty: sure having no fail-state in a game might sound fun because who likes punishment right? It's only the people who design games or have been playing for a long time that can see how the risk and reward balance is tightly formed by the fail-state.

Sure casuals want crafting to be simplified to mashing one button but anyone who has played MMO's knows that an MMO is such a big time commitment that if there's no depth of gameplay to discover one can do the vegetative monotonous activity only for so long and definitely won't pay 10+$/month to do it.

While I don't think it's wrong to ask for these thing I honestly would like to think there's some people at SE who can see the big picture (their latest products don't give much hope though) and makes these decision based on wat makes a good game not what the casuals want.

Unfotuantely the same could be said about hardcores. Hopefully they make their decisions based on what makes a good game, not what the hardcores want.

The reality is no one really seems to know what these terms mean anymore. People throw casual around like they used to use carebear.

I like full loot, open pvp games, with asset destruction. I don't like to have to play five hours to achieve some minor progression. I don't enjoy grinding the same mob as it respawns over and over to get 3% experience of a level. I don't find rerunning instances and killing raid mobs over and over for a .002% loot drop chance enjoyable as well. Does this make me a casual? I prefer fights that don't give you much room for error, ones in which one mistake can mean your death, but because I don't like to grind mobs and camp mobs, I'm casual?

The point is, this thread is just a pissing contest between people who think they know how to design games but more than likely(not saying people here aren't game developers) have no idea what constitutes a porfitable project idea in terms of MMORPG design.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

blizzard said it best

if a game can only be a class, game, content can only be enjoyed by 2% of the player base... then something is wrong with the game. Games, which ffxiv is infact a GAME is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, and letting everyone see content they want. Not force them to avoid content due to stupid reasons.

Honestly guys its a game.. stop all this crazy immaturaty and name calling. Its getting to the point where the ingame community is effect by this crap.

[Seikninkuru]

blizzard said it best

if a game can only be a class, game, content can only be enjoyed by 2% of the player base... then something is wrong with the game. Games, which ffxiv is infact a GAME is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, and letting everyone see content they want. Not force them to avoid content due to stupid reasons.

Honestly guys its a game.. stop all this crazy immaturaty and name calling. Its getting to the point where the ingame community is effect by this crap.

u reddie 2 make a bebeh w/ me? <3

[Renshi]

Nah, In-game people are too busy playing the game than having a rage rain here =)