Materia System

[Rowyne]

Materia is Latin for "material", so i don't see what the problem is referring it by its correct meaning.

Actually, that's another thing I don't like about it, I just didn't think it was relevant enough a point to make in my previous post. But since you brought it up...

It doesn't translate well, since the English word is 'material'. Which is simply an item component used in a crafting recipe.

I think it would be confusing.

"Hey, what are the materials needed to make that item?"
"What? You don't need any materia."
"No, materials."

Abbot and Costello 'Who's On First' wackiness ensues.

Materia is just a strange term that doesn't feel right. It's like you tried to say 'material', but you forgot the 'L'.

[Cairdeas]

Actually, that's another thing I don't like about it, I just didn't think it was relevant enough a point to make in my previous post. But since you brought it up...

It doesn't translate well, since the English word is 'material'. Which is simply an item component used in a crafting recipe.

I think it would be confusing.

"Hey, what are the materials needed to make that item?"
"What? You don't need any materia."
"No, materials."

Abbot and Costello 'Who's On First' wackiness ensues.

Materia is just a strange term that doesn't feel right. It's like you tried to say 'material', but you forget the 'L'.

Now your just pulling crap out of the air.

[Rowyne]

Now your just pulling crap out of the air.

LOL, no, I've felt that way since I played FFVII back on the original Playstation many moons ago. The term never felt right, and I'd rather leave it back in FFVII where it belongs.

[Cairdeas]

LOL, no, I've felt that way since I played FFVII back on the original Playstation many moons ago. The term never felt right, and I'd rather leave it back in FFVII where it belongs.

Materia was the name of one generation of Crystals from FF7, Just like Magicite was the name of the crystals from the 6th entry. Magicite already had its chance to be used heavily a second time. Its time Materia did.

Crystals (Multiple)
Orbs (Multiple)
Magicite (Multiple)
Materia (Twice)

Let Materia have its chance for a third time.

Its just as much a part of Final Fantasy as Crystals, Orbs and Magicite. The same way that Guardian Forces are summons, Edilons, Aeons, Avatars, and Primals are Summons.

[Rowyne]

Let Materia have its chance for a third time.

Its just as much a part of Final Fantasy as Crystals, Orbs and Magicite. The same way that Guardian Forces are summons, Edilons, Aeons, Avatars, and Primals are Summons.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but I'm actually saying something similar (just pointing to a different result). Final Fantasy incorporates different names for common elements depending on what's appropriate for the story. We've already laid down the groundwork with the term 'aetheryte'. I just don't think 'materia' fits into this scheme.

[Bled]

I understand the point you're trying to make, but I'm actually saying something similar (just pointing to a different result). Final Fantasy incorporates different names for common elements depending on what's appropriate for the story. We've already laid down the groundwork with the term 'aetheryte'. I just don't think 'materia' fits into this scheme.

In FF 7 Materia was magical orbs that are placed in special slots on weapons and armor, and that sounds an awful lot like what we will be doing. Further in FF7 Materia are small spheres of crystallized energy, i do not see how that dose not fit in to the game. People are just hung up with seeing the name Materia again, when in reality i don't see the problem seeing as every game borrows terms like magic, and skill points. If the word is accurately used to describe something who cares if it was used in a past title.

[Teknoman]

LOL, no, I've felt that way since I played FFVII back on the original Playstation many moons ago. The term never felt right, and I'd rather leave it back in FFVII where it belongs.

lol Anyone remember the "Beads / Bees" thing on Arrested Development?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J2kc...eature=related

[Bled]

Actually, that's another thing I don't like about it, I just didn't think it was relevant enough a point to make in my previous post. But since you brought it up...

It doesn't translate well, since the English word is 'material'. Which is simply an item component used in a crafting recipe.

I think it would be confusing.

"Hey, what are the materials needed to make that item?"
"What? You don't need any materia."
"No, materials."

Abbot and Costello 'Who's On First' wackiness ensues.

Materia is just a strange term that doesn't feel right. It's like you tried to say 'material', but you forgot the 'L'.

I guess I'm not seeing your point; Materia are materials, in the literary sense. Are you arguing against the word Materia in its entirety being used in any Final Fantasy title?

EDIT: just saw your above post.

[Mack]

Actually, that's another thing I don't like about it, I just didn't think it was relevant enough a point to make in my previous post. But since you brought it up...

It doesn't translate well, since the English word is 'material'. Which is simply an item component used in a crafting recipe.

I think it would be confusing.

"Hey, what are the materials needed to make that item?"
"What? You don't need any materia."
"No, materials."

Abbot and Costello 'Who's On First' wackiness ensues.

Materia is just a strange term that doesn't feel right. It's like you tried to say 'material', but you forgot the 'L'.

Yea safe to say you're the only one who is going to have any trouble with this lol.

[Rowyne]

Yea safe to say you're the only one who is going to have any trouble with this lol.

I may have been the only person who has argued that the word 'materia', in and of itself, does not roll nicely off the tongue and will be confusing when used in a crafting scheme.

However, I am not the only person in this thread who feels the term is too branded and specific to FFVII. And that is my main opposition to the term.

I'm fine with series tradition terms, like chocobo, moogle, job names, Cid, etc. Because they're tradition. They recur in every Final Fantasy.

However, 'Materia' was a system exclusively used in FFVII. And it wasn't even socketing for item enhancement, like we're talking about implementing in FFXIV, it was socketing for abilities and summons. In reality, the Materia system is more like FFVIII's Junctioning system.

I think people may be annoyed when they hear that FFXIV is implementing a 'Materia' system, then find out they can't summon KotR when they socket their sword with a crystal.

I think a system of crystal socketing is fantastic. It lets you customize your gear. And it definitely fits into the Final Fantasy universe. But using the name 'Materia' does not properly define the system, and it does not fit into FFXIV's crystal naming scheme.