Materia System

[charliesheen]

Yeah they said materia had a chance to be of higher quality. Maybe not +1, but either better stats or better type of stat for a rarer result.

I'm still disappointed that you have to wear the gear you're trying to turn into materia. It encourages people to wear poor gear out to their activities, which is counter-matsui's primary goal to reward wholehearted play where people who aren't really focussing or trying struggle.

I want a system where someone wearing poor gear struggles to perform, and ultimately that's what materiagrind gear will be--the cheapest on the market that provides the desired materia. However, I don't want a system where wearing that poor gear is encouraged.

Thus it appears that SE may be forcing me to make a "No materia gear" policy in performance-driven parties, and a lot of scrubs are going to want to haul their gimp gear to wear.

People shouldn't bring their trial weapons to sp on, but instead of saying "trial weapons are for skillup parties on your own time." Why not just not do trial weapon crap in the first place? Don't even make us wear the bad gear we'll be turning into materia.

Shortest form: benefits to wearing bad gear should never exist.

Whoa, Whoa, Bro. Calm down. Maybe you should channel all that oh so serious energy into forming a new Nazi party in your area. I'm sure you will meet lots of like-minded people who share your desire to control the destiny of the masses and eliminate anyone who doesn't want to conform to your perceived rules of correctness. Afterall, life should only be lived one way, and that includes 100% efficiency in your MMO gaming (codeword for life's work in the case of some people...) Epic. Fail that is.

[Peregrine]

Because you're not going to get **** materia from a NQ jade crook, but it's still a NQ jade crook.
You can buy a trash endgame set of gear for 100k because people spam it to make HQ's. That's the garbage people are going to be showing up to party in. They're not going to be turning even +1 gear into materia, and +1 gear's not going to make OMGBBQ materia either.

People will show up looking like stock generic players to things where performance matters, and this system gives them even more of an excuse to.

[Malakhim]

People will show up looking like stock generic players to things where performance matters, and this system gives them even more of an excuse to.

Then you make it abundantly clear that they need to be up to spec, or they don't get to party. The game can't do everything for you all the time.

[Nuru]

Pretty much the game allows it, but the players set the rules. Do you honestly think that everything SE intended went the way they thought it would in FFXI?

In fact, its already happening in FFXIV. You cant get into a good Leve-link party unless you have certain leves.

Just make it to where people cannot get into your dungeon party unless they have beneficial gear.

[Peregrine]

Pretty much the game allows it, but the players set the rules. Do you honestly think that everything SE intended went the way they thought it would in FFXI?

In fact, its already happening in FFXIV. You cant get into a good Leve-link party unless you have certain leves.

Just make it to where people cannot get into your dungeon party unless they have beneficial gear.

That is an INFERIOR design compared to a system that doesn't encourage gimp in the first place. I wouldn't have to be a dick if the game didn't reward gimp.

Don't even give people excuses to wear poor gear to performance events, and no one will try to wear trash out to sp in, and no one will have to tell people trying to wear trash out to sp in to wear their good gear. This doesn't need to be a situation, and SE is forcing the issue needlessly.

[Cairdeas]

That is an INFERIOR design compared to a system that doesn't encourage gimp in the first place. I wouldn't have to be a dick if the game didn't reward gimp.

Don't even give people excuses to wear poor gear to performance events, and no one will try to wear trash out to sp in, and no one will have to tell people trying to wear trash out to sp in to wear their good gear. This doesn't need to be a situation, and SE is forcing the issue needlessly.

I have to disagree, the game should do as little as possible to limit the choices the player has. The player then should be allowed to make the choices they want, with the choices they make having consequences.

[Peregrine]

You all seem to have no earthly concept of the idea of conflict prevention.
Flying air force one over new york at low altitude for an unannounced photo op sounds just GRAND to you I bet.

You don't do things that inhrerently will create tension if you don't have to.
Encouraging people to wear substandard gear out to performance arenas will cause tension.

It is STUPID to cause tension when you don't need to. Tell me why a person has to wear the gear to attach to it. Really. Because it sounds better? Come on. Think.

No reason to cause this tension and conflict. It's intern decisionmaking that focuses on arbitrary logic and not the more important repercussions of the dynamic.

I know you want to wear your trash gear out to grind materia into. You'll show up to everything with it on. I just don't want to hear the ensuing conversation yellfest between you, who clearly doesn't care about performance and just wants everything at the same time, and some elitist who refuses to party with "gimps."

Are you looking for a fight? Sounds like it if you actually WANT materia gear (2nd rate gear) to have to be equipped. At that point, you're just trolling the people who demand performance and wholehearted play when you show up in a NQ chainmail.

Devs shouldn't even set you two against each other like that. I don't want to see that ****.

I don't want to see people screaming at each other because one is obviously using this party as a materia-farm and the other as a performance engine, and that CONFLICTS.

I also don't want to mindlessly grind materia in materia grind parties like some lame-ass skillup party.

Therefore, I do not want materia-attachment process to require equipping the piece.

There is no downside. You can equip it if you want. But you don't have to. No downside. You can not come up with a reason why you should have to wear the gear to attach to it past face arbitrary logic. My counter to that useless logic: MAGIC. There. Now you have zero excuse to not agree.

[SAMINUS]

You all seem to have no earthly concept of the idea of conflict prevention.
Flying air force one over new york at low altitude for an unannounced photo op sounds just GRAND to you I bet.

You don't do things that inhrerently will create tension if you don't have to.
Encouraging people to wear substandard gear out to performance arenas will cause tension.

It is STUPID to cause tension when you don't need to. Tell me why a person has to wear the gear to attach to it. Really. Because it sounds better? Come on. Think.

No reason to cause this tension and conflict. It's intern decisionmaking that focuses on arbitrary logic and not the more important repercussions of the dynamic.

I know you want to wear your trash gear out to grind materia into. You'll show up to everything with it on. I just don't want to hear the ensuing conversation yellfest between you, who clearly doesn't care about performance and just wants everything at the same time, and some elitist who refuses to party with "gimps."

Are you looking for a fight? Sounds like it if you actually WANT materia gear (2nd rate gear) to have to be equipped. At that point, you're just trolling the people who demand performance and wholehearted play when you show up in a NQ chainmail.

Devs shouldn't even set you two against each other like that. I don't want to see that ****.

I don't want to see people screaming at each other because one is obviously using this party as a materia-farm and the other as a performance engine, and that CONFLICTS.

I also don't want to mindlessly grind materia in materia grind parties like some lame-ass skillup party.

Therefore, I do not want materia-attachment process to require equipping the piece.

There is no downside. You can equip it if you want. But you don't have to. No downside. You can not come up with a reason why you should have to wear the gear to attach to it past face arbitrary logic. My counter to that useless logic: MAGIC. There. Now you have zero excuse to not agree.

...nutcase...

[charliesheen]

...nutcase...

Nutcase... or passionate?

[SAMINUS]

Nutcase... or passionate?

Maybe passionate is there a difference? lol