New NMs

[Eekiki]

Think about the average amount of time a person spends logged onto the game without being idle. How long do you suppose it is? 4 hours? 6 hours?

Why make the repop 24 hours, when it would be just as effective from a competitive standpoint to have the mobs repop in 8 hours or 10 hours?

[Abriael]

Think about the average amount of time a person spends logged onto the game without being idle. How long do you suppose it is? 4 hours? 6 hours?

Why make the repop 24 hours, when it would be just as effective from a competitive standpoint to have the mobs repop in 8 hours or 10 hours?

I guess because some want to feel l337 for living in a basement 24/7

[Visch]

Why make the repop 24 hours, when it would be just as effective from a competitive standpoint to have the mobs repop in 8 hours or 10 hours?

This is true. The thing with 21-24 hour NMs special was the fact it was easy to track their ToD (time of death) and show up the next day. If it was something like a 9 to 12 hour NM and you weren't there every 12 hours to see it killed then you would have no idea when to go back.

Making it even worse for people who have less time to invest.

ffxi had been bleeding subs slowly since WoW launched riddle me that....

FFXI had about the same 500k sub it had since the game settled until the level cap increase. You don't even know what you're talking about.

Also, WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY A GAME MAKES?

Pizza Hut makes more money then the family owned pizza shop down the street. Does that mean Pizza Hut is better? No! It's opinion.

And your opinion is you should be able to do everything in the game with -100 effort of what was needed in XI.

Casual gamers have their place but the people who actually play should not have to degrade themselves.

All the new NMs before this patch are less of an NM than Leaping Lizzy.

I guess because some want to feel l337 for living in a basement 24/7

This is so generic. If someone plays the game more than you, they're going to be better. That is the point of playing online. It's not FFXIV Communist simulation where if you play 3 hours every weekend or 12 hours everyday you get the same reward.

[Eekiki]

This is true. The thing with 21-24 hour NMs special was the fact it was easy to track their ToD (time of death) and show up the next day. If it was something like a 9 to 12 hour NM and you weren't there every 12 hours to see it killed then you would have no idea when to go back.

Making it even worse for people who have less time to invest.

Good point.

[Mattei]

I enjoyed the HNM/NM system FFXI had. The borderline ridiculous pop conditions kept items fresh. Not that it was the best item in the game but a good example was the Surroco Kukri (sp?)...The wind dagger off the birdy in the zone outside of adamantoise/aspidechelone. Sure it took time but once you learn the windows you can sit there, wait for the window, and if it doesnt pop AFK. The triumph of getting an item like this felt like you won the whole world. Thats what made it special. I dont see how making everything so easy to get makes it "fun" for anyone, hardcore (alot of playtime) or not. Thats my opinion...but Im sure I will get flamed for it because FFXIV's community is becoming disturbingly more and more like WoW's...good day.

[AntonyB]

LOL @ mostly only 1 LS wanting HNMs back, also lol @ it being luck to claim NMs when there was packet bots out like XI-Claim, NASA and K2 that could claim around 90% of the time. HNMs that get left up to be kept into there own timezone? Haha, HNMs rarely went through timezones.

Been there done that, it was fun at the time and then got boring after awhile claiming everything.

If you want those D.Rings go back to FFXI where they have HN.... oh wait the gear on those are worthless now.

I'll take instances like Odin anyday, not everyone could kill him and he still gave the best sh!t at the time.

[Keftenk]

LOL @ mostly only 1 LS wanting HNMs back

That's what I was saying lol
One person started, then the rest jumped out of the wood work.

[Randis]

This is not about challenging content, this is about showing off your imaginary peen.
Guys only care about having 'it' and it does not matter how they get it. Farm gill and buy it from AH, bot the nm, you name it.
It is those people who will leave their character stand in Uldah in a fighting stance showing off the gear and the 9999999 g items in their bazar while they go to sleep. LOOK AT MY Sivertrikorne +1, i have 3 of em! LOOK AT ME.

If my mom would pay my bills I might go for the 24h nm too.
Oh no wait! Its not actually 24h, the pop time shifts, you have to wait till they pop in your time zone, so every 2 months you have a chance to camp them after you finish work. Awesome.

[Jinko]

24 hour HNMs please! Who is with me?

Go away....!

What does doing fine mean? Making money? I don't know if you noticed but just because something can make money off 14 year olds who can only play for 5 hours on weekends or after they finish their homework doesn't mean it's a good game.

As opposed to what 20+ year olds who still live at home with mommy, have no job and can play 8 hours a day ?

[Keftenk]

24hour NMs would contradict the whole casual-ess game that SE wants to build. At least, they keep boasting and spewing out how they want things to be easier for the players.