Excuses & Daily Updates

[Grimm]

People like you have no right to be on this forum. "This game is teh sux!" You haven't even played it for any decent amount of time. Your highest is 21. That's about 5hrs of play. You have absolutely no idea what is in this game. The battle system is kinda meh but it's currently being fixed. Advanced classes won't come for quite a while. Absolutely 0 games had advanced classes on release (that I know of) Stop making excuses to hate the game, please.

He paid for the game so he has every right to be here.

Moving on to more productive talking. I think SE really need's to show something hell maybe open test servers for a few select members testing things that have been done so far. People are saying ''We are playing beta.''
Then let SE treat it like beat throw the buggy content out there and let us do feed back.

[Elexia]

He paid for the game so he has every right to be here.

Moving on to more productive talking. I think SE really need's to show something hell maybe open test servers for a few select members testing things that have been done so far. People are saying ''We are playing beta.''
Then let SE treat it like beat throw the buggy content out there and let us do feed back.

People will complain that it's buggy.

When it comes to FFXIV, there's no "winning situation", people will bitch no. matter. what.

[Corrderio]

People will complain that it's buggy.

When it comes to FFXIV, there's no "winning situation", people will bitch no. matter. what.

And there's also the fact Yoshida said he'll never do a wipe. So if they add something they need to make sure it's not exploitable.

[Grimm]

And there's also the fact Yoshida said he'll never do a wipe. So if they add something they need to make sure it's not exploitable.

There is always test servers.

[Corrderio]

There is always test servers.

Which we don't have ATM

[Grimm]

Which we don't have ATM

I think we can both agree that FFXIV needs them more than FFXI.

[Corrderio]

I think we can both agree that FFXIV needs them more than FFXI.

Pretty much yeah, would make a good suggestion since I'm sure a lot of people would agree.

[Abriael]

There is always test servers.

Test servers never get enough traffic to be a surefire vaccine against exploits and problems. That applies basically every game.
Most people don't really "waste" time on test servers when they can be playing on the live ones and work on their character progression.

That's elitism, which is found in every MMO community, I just ignore people who speak like that much like high level mages will say "protect and shell is broken, you aren't a 50 mage so you don't know!" yet others can see it has some effect even as a subskill on Marauder.

It's not a matter of elitism. And it's not even a matter of getting to 50. People that talk a lot about things that they simply didn't experience first hand don't hold much credibility.
Even worse, people that didn't play the game for months don't have many tools to actually judge the current state of the game.

[Grimm]

Test servers never get enough traffic to be a surefire vaccine against exploits and problems. That's in every game.

If everyone want's this game fixed as bad as they claim there will be no problem with that.

[Abriael]

If everyone want's this game fixed as bad as they claim there will be no problem with that.

Everyone wants games improved very vocally in every game I played before.
When it's time to take it upon themselves to use their own time to actually help improving the game by playing on test servers, the developer needs to literally *beg* them to, and use actual development time to devise events and incentives to drag them into it.
And even then, I've never seen a test server with an even decent population (which partly defeats the purpose of even having a test server, mind you).

And mind you, I'm a strong supporter (and user) of test servers, and I believe that Yoshida actually promised their implementation. Though, they are not a be all, end all solution because of their low population.
Not to mention that most of the people that go there in every game, just do so to get a sneak peek of the changes, without having any intention to actually test and send constructive feedback.

There's a lot of difference between demanding improvement vocally, and willing to contribute to improvement practically and constructively. In my (rather long and extensive) MMORPG experience I've seen a lot of the first, much, much less of the second.