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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Bad players gained less exp/hour than better players.
    I agree with your accusations of FFXIV's flaws except this one. An overwhelming majority of the time, you didn't get more SP per hour by being better at your job, you got it by playing a job people liked more. Birds were the prey, and piercing was the demand - you weren't a bad player just because you wanted to be a DRK and thus failed to outstab with your pity slashing attacks.

    I, too, want to up the challenge, but cannot stress enough that it is a big mistake to do so with such simplistic reasoning. What I'm seeing is too much "Mages have too much MP, so let's attack their most obvious source of it." and not enough consideration towards the mechanics that make the flow of the game better. Some serious back-end balancing needs to take place, but not by just scrapping the most recent thing that added to the issue - especially if it was a good change.

    The best suggestion I've seen here so far is that you should have to officially leave battle, not just disengage, to auto regen MP. It's not that the mechanic exists, it's not the speed it works at - it's that players can use it as too big of an advantage in an area they already have abilities suited to that purpose. That's the problem that needs fixing. If players have to run far enough away from the battle so that something terrible can happen before they can fix it, problem solved.
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    I am sorry, what did you expect. Before the game even came out the first thing I heard , that it was going to be mostly for casual gamers. From Gamestop, in-game FFXI, I believe E-3 mention it too, and other reviews like IGN.

    I can only guess you heard the same thing, so if casual means that to you, then you should have known better. All I can really say is what I said before. You have to wait and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    I am sorry, what did you expect. Before the game even came out the first thing I heard , that it was going to be mostly for casual gamers. From Gamestop, in-game FFXI, I believe E-3 mention it too, and other reviews like IGN.

    I can only guess you heard the same thing, so if casual means that to you, then you should have known better. All I can really say is what I said before. You have to wait and see what happens.
    Actually i think what they were saying was casual doesnt mean easy, it means not as time consuming, A lot of games that sell well now, actually require a fair amount of skill, however, they are not hard to get into, IE spend time shouting for a group. Also when this game shipped, it was actually fairly more difficult, the sp gain system made it so that you had to find mobs that were somewhat challenging to profit, and it made it so more difficult fights had better rewards. Even then a good portion of what you are capable of with the open system went untapped. now that the game only requires finding weak mobs and mowing em down fast, its challenge level is too low. Fact is a game needs to be challenging to appeal to people, this games flaws mostly had to do with bugs bad implementation, and lack of content, now its endanger of becoming just boring and still has barely any more content.
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    This complacency with ease of play just further alienates this title from being a Final Fantasy. This adds to the can't loose, can't die, and so what if I do die attitude. MP management is at the core of playing mages efficiently. This invalidates the need for leveling THM as CON for MP Siphon and Stygian Spikes, perhaps not Exaltation/Tranquility because future events will definitely require burst amounts of MP. AT THE VERY LEAST the MP regen should be scaled upon max MP (1% a tick would be perfect) not it's current state.
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    I wouldn't say get rid of the system, but do change it. The current MP regen rate is much too high, speaking in terms of balance.
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    This whole mp regen system is in preparation for the upcoming battle/armory changes planned for the game. Stop demanding changes to the steps they are taking to fix it overall. Its going to take more than 2 or 3 to overhaul something like the battle system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbine View Post
    This whole mp regen system is in preparation for the upcoming battle/armory changes planned for the game. Stop demanding changes to the steps they are taking to fix it overall. Its going to take more than 2 or 3 to overhaul something like the battle system.
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    I'm not demanding changes asshole. I'm simply sharing my opinion on how I feel about and and frankly others agree with me. And if this is them working towards the future changes, they could warn us about it. But honestly, I don't think it has anything to do with future content. I think it's more to do with people bitching. Just like for aggroes and then people bitches bcuz they never had enough mp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadRiser View Post
    Please get rid of the current mp regen.
    Nobody can demand anything from SE, but this is as close as one can get to trying, no? (How is SE acting on your bitching any different than acting on other people's bitching?) Also, all the abilities you claim to be now 'unuseful' are all things I still use on my bar. How many NM fights have you been a part of to even claim you know how the mages are working in those battles? How dare you say that 'everybody' uses spells with no regard? Are you every damn mage in this game? (ie: if I'm going to be accused of being an asshole I might as well get down to the real problems here in your statement.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldaena View Post
    Nobody can demand anything from SE, but this is as close as one can get to trying, no? (How is SE acting on your bitching any different than acting on other people's bitching?) Also, all the abilities you claim to be now 'unuseful' are all things I still use on my bar. How many NM fights have you been a part of to even claim you know how the mages are working in those battles? How dare you say that 'everybody' uses spells with no regard? Are you every damn mage in this game? (ie: if I'm going to be accused of being an asshole I might as well get down to the real problems here in your statement.)
    Wasn't talking to you so quit being self centered and taking all the hate, it wouldn't let me quote Karbine. And if MP regen wasn't a problem, people wouldn't be agreeing with me. And not just talking about NM, talking about all combat in general. Never said I was the only mage, and if it's close to 'demanding' it's still not demanding.
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