PLD Bonus Stats

[Rajah]

VIT or MND

STR is useless. If you want STR level Warrior.

MND is beneficial because Paladins have MP and what good is it doing by not being utilized?

We have a 120 sec recast with 20 sec of 30% more healing, subjectively a hate producing tool.

With roughly 200 MND you should be able to cure for 400 or more, not counting criticals and abilities.

DPS of Paladin is pretty bad, Sprits Within is on a 30 second timer and TP better be spent on Shield Swipe, Shield Bash. Rage of Halone Combo cost 7 sec GCD, and against HNM you use Shield Oath.

Mitigation is very good with certain shields and a high base defense, but certain HNM AoE can not be blocked, or even stunned.

When tanking with multiple Paladins, a method needs to be devised to create hate.

Physick/Cure is my answer. With materia alone you can already benefit from wearing meldable armor.

A serious build with +30 MND in Skill provides a revised method of hate production.

[Jahaudant]

VIT or MND

When tanking with multiple Paladins, a method needs to be devised to create hate.

Physick/Cure is my answer. With materia alone you can already benefit from wearing meldable armor.

A serious build with +30 MND in Skill provides a revised method of hate production.

Unlike in XI where curing as PLD was extremely effective, in XIV cure enmity is really, really low when compared to your Halone combo. Really, really, low.

I assure you, spending a fight spamming your MND buffed cure and Riot Blade to try and maintain your MP will not generate enough enmity to tank effectively and you won't be supplementing your parties damage at all.

Personally, I went with 30 VIT which, with full AF and HQ crafted/stonewall accessories boosted my HP by about 450 (guesstimating here, away from home), or just over 10%. I imagine STR can also be effective and there's no clear winner out of the two... for now.

[Ariyn]

MND

Sorry but you do not belong in a theorycraft discussion if you think MND is even a remotely viable way to do anything lmao. PLD heals are complete garbage. You can put 30 MND from your points and materia in all MND and guess what ... it's still garbage. Don't feed people wrong information because you think it's the way to go ... it's not and never will be. As of right now there is no reason for PLD to even have CNJ to pull from except to raise a bad healer in a 4 man ...

[Kryzen]

We have a 120 sec recast with 20 sec of 30% more healing, subjectively a hate producing tool.

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Heals generate crap threat. I think its something like 1 flash = 5 cures. MND is a horrible choice.

[ViktorShtrum]

Sorry but you do not belong in a theorycraft discussion if you think MND is even a remotely viable way to do anything lmao.

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, and most likely wrong about MND being an effective enmity tool, what he is offering is exactly what theorycrafting is all about. It's not about giving the best answer the first time, it's about wood shedding ideas and putting them to the test.

[Ariyn]

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, and most likely wrong about MND being an effective enmity tool, what he is offering is exactly what theorycrafting is all about. It's not about giving the best answer the first time, it's about wood shedding ideas and putting them to the test.

You're right it's about finding the best ways. That being said MND was never even in the category of being looked at it's so far down the list. My point was that this is why we end up with bad tanks. People come to forums and chat for help and the trolls feed them this. If he wasn't trying to troll then my apologies and you should look at some theory crafting (just google it not hard to find). If they end up changing things to make MND more attractive I maybe able to get on board with it since it makes sense and imo is what it should be but currently it is no where even close. Here's some numbers for you:

200 point Cure = 100 emnity (about what you get around level 40 maybe a little higher on the cure but its .5 emnity per point healed)
100 dmg Savage Blade @40 = 600 emnity

Now you could argue that "Cure puts emnity on all targets in combat" and you would be right. So let's look at Cure vs Flash @ 50

Flash @50 = 1100 emnity on everything it hits
Cure @50 is around 400 = 200 emnity

Source of theory crafting: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=231

So unless you can push your MND to the point of a WHM and be able to spam Cure's with our limited mp pool then for tanking it is never a viable alternative. For the same GCD you spend on that Cure you are at best gimping yourself about 500 emnity. In terms of aiding your healer it is in fact a good supplement but that is only if you can take the threat loss. In pugs this maybe possible but I for one know in FC groups my dps are always on my a$$ in threat so losing the emnity isn't a viable option.

[Rajah]

Simple really

No one has done Crystal Tower to my knowledge, or Bahamut's Instance.

400-1000 Cure is evidently waaay more powerful than you give it credit for. If I can cure 1/4 of my own HP in ONE cure, that is extremely powerful.

It is not about spamming cure, it's about getting use of the meager MP pool. Of course there's a dropoff point in using an ability over and over, but this is NOT about wasting a cure.

No, this about effective cures that take 2 seconds to make.

Sure you could get +400 HP, but it won't do anything in the long run, besides give your healers breathing room. How about 500-1000 heals for breathing room.

Flash is something you do when you can't shield swipe, when you can't shield bash, when your timer for provoke is down, when you have too much MP, facing one target.

Facing multiple targets yes it will get attention. By following up with a CURE as half a dozen mobs truck you, YOU can recover that lost hate and health with a fat cure.

Never did I say to stack piety and -spell cast. I'm talking about 50-100% MND materia and high defense gear.

Sentinel's Cuirass anyone?

Here's why STR is useless to PLD. All hate comes from abilities and spirits within (think shield oath). The only method of abstaining this is not dealing damage, it is mitigating AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WHO SIAD RIOT BLADE

YALL ARE A RIOT SERIOUSLY

[Raansu]

I feel bad for anyone that has to group with you...

[Ariyn]

-snip-

You have to be trying to troll ... there is no other explanation.

400 HP is 1/10th of an AF gear PLD @50. Once you start getting the better gear it goes even farther down. Even if you MND stacked on materia and bonus points you still wouldn't get to heal 1/4th your hp. And you would be seriously gimping yourself in the process.

You should seriously just reroll a healer ...

[Kryzen]

The overall amount of healing you get from stats is quite pathetic. That came from my FC main healer.