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    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldarion18 View Post
    I know Paladins are traditionally white magic casting tanks but with the change to cure potency in ARR there is just no benefit to Paladins from Conjurer skills.

    Cure - heals for 250~ hp at level 50. My Paladin's hp pool is 4700. My Black Mage at level 50 can cure for 400~ using Physick which is just awkward in comparison to Paladin's curing potency.

    Raise - cannot be used in combat.

    Stoneskin - 10% of target's maximum hp is around 470~, but White Mage in the party gets 18% with traits.

    Protect - will already be covered by the healer in the party.
    The FF Paladin has always been a knight with weak white magic. Of course it's going to be inferior to a real healer in white magic. That's kind of the point.
    If being a white magic caster is absolutely needed for Paladins for the sake of lore then just bring back Holy Succor as one of the Paladin job abilities.
    Holy Succor was a bad move, a version of Beacon of Light that was part of a tanking model but required you healing someone else in order to maximize the benefits. It was a bad idea back then and still is now.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
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    Player Eldarion18's Avatar
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    Shawn Cody
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    The FF Paladin has always been a knight with weak white magic. Of course it's going to be inferior to a real healer in white magic. That's kind of the point.
    Yes, I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldarion18 View Post
    My Black Mage at level 50 can cure for 400~ using Physick which is just awkward in comparison to Paladin's curing potency.
    For reference, my White Mage Cure 1 does about 850~ unbuffed at level 50. Paladin Cure 1 is 250~.
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    Last edited by Eldarion18; 08-23-2013 at 04:15 PM.

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    Grendahl Hemloch
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    The FF Paladin has always been a knight with weak white magic
    This isn't correct. Please replay FF IV, Cecil may not be a replacement for a white mage (changes depending on progression in the story); however, his healing is also nothing to sneeze at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    The FF Paladin has always been a knight with weak white magic. Of course it's going to be inferior to a real healer in white magic. That's kind of the point.
    I know, its like some people never played FFIV. Cecil, when he becomes a paladin, has access to White Magic but it was infinitely inferior to Rosa, whom was a full White Mage. It was good for group spot healing due to low damage AE attacks or a moderate single target heal, but Rosa was far more adept at massive AE heals and could instantly get any person, no matter what the damage hit was sans an inta kill, back to full health.
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