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    Suggest Change for Yoshi-P Himself

    1. Please Make 1 Huge Patch instead of small patch/bug/fix/tread

    Why? You've 3 player base
    a) Loyal player who still play currently (5%)
    b) Player still willing to give FFXIV a chance but not playing currently (25%)
    c) New Player (70%)

    You don't need to do anything but a) player will still stay. They're loyal to FFXIV.
    However, If you still doing small move/unseen promise/meaningless tread, Ok You're loosing b) Player more and more.

    If you make 1 huge Patch like last Nov/Dec , I forget exactly which one. You can get back SOME of b) Player.

    If the patch is good, a)+b) players will together phraise you also encourage some c) player to join us.

    If a single c) player join us, SE make some profit of $49.99, you've more resourse to ask SE manager to give you more dev member, Get the whole logic?

    2. Spend more time to convince your upper managment.

    Why? I think you're doing 3 things,

    1) Dev team twisting game parameter, art design team adding feature, all these needed to accroding to plan and schedule to currently player. By reading your 7 letters, I am very sure you're giving minimal content out for current player to just keep a void image of SE is interactive with us (Paid Player).

    2) Your upper managment are MOST LIKELY giving you order to saving enough content for profitable action, such as selling in ps3 version and such. I believe this is what you're really doing and you're not allow to let us know.

    3) Stop treating player so naive like we're all 18 years old. Some of us are working employeer that is way larger company than SE is. We know how a company work when facing failling project/product.

    Please take out your gut and fight with your top mananger. Ask for more resource, get your marketing partner and show your management a concrete goal on how you plan FFXIV can profit. Cuz if you don't do that, FFXIV will fail, So will you.
    The leader who is conducting FFXIII-2 or FFXIII versu can eaisly beat you, understand?

    Good Luck, Yoshi-P.
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    However, If you still doing small move/unseen promise/meaningless tread, Ok You're loosing b) Player more and more.
    And as the proposed solution, you are saying "don't do anything for a long while, then do one big patch, then don't do anything again."

    They are keeping the momentum. I'm not sticking around if there is nothing for me to look forward to for months after each patch. That's as simple as it gets.

    No new players are coming to the game before S-E starts advertising again, re-reviews start rolling in and the PS3 version is released. It is a pointless demographic until there is something to show for them at the end of the year, at earliest.

    (ib4 "hay i saw a new guy on Spehayroth servar yesterday, u rong!11)

    Also, your arrogant attitude is laughable. This game would already be dead and forgotten if he did anything you proposed him to do. You are also ignorant on top of everything else.

    I had to lol at employees of any company having an informed opinion about how the company operates. It's all so simple at the grassroot level.
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    I don't even know where to begin...

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    First, I will agree with you that these essentially patchless patches are making the game look bad to players who have stopped playing. They see the small relatively meaningless updates, or the quests which got bad reviews, or the spell size adjustment which was never the critics' concern, and they're turned off.

    However, small piddly fixes get finished first. Large, broad strke fixes get finished last. That's inevitable. There is no sense in delaying piddly fixes that you have completed (unless you're talking about those quests which should never have passed quality control).

    What do you do? There's a good alternative. And it includes Yoshi-P's strong points. Talking.

    The holiday event should be released, but prefaced with the notification that Square Enix knows this does not represent the solution, and the holiday has not delayed "the solution." If the holiday is preceded by that remark, instead of fringe players drawing the opposite conclusion that Square thinks a holiday IS the solution, then the image of a small release looks better. Players understand that and appreciate the honesty. The issue becomes a problem when it looks like SE is hyping content above and beyond that content's caliber. Then players start to shake their heads and figure Square Enix continues to be out of touch.

    So, the answer is not to stop releasing small patches, but to make it CRYSTAL clear that the small patches do not reflect even a decent portion of the team's efforts to improve the game, and that they need to call small, relatively menial patches exactly that. Up front. They need to say it before we say it.

    That will go a long way.

    Edit:
    I will also say THIS:
    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    What do you do? There's a good alternative. And it includes Yoshi-P's strong points. Talking.

    The holiday event should be released, but prefaced with the notification that Square Enix knows this does not represent the solution, and the holiday has not delayed "the solution." If the holiday is preceded by that remark, instead of fringe players drawing the opposite conclusion that Square thinks a holiday IS the solution, then the image of a small release looks better. Players understand that and appreciate the honesty. The issue becomes a problem when it looks like SE is hyping content above and beyond that content's caliber. Then players start to shake their heads and figure Square Enix continues to be out of touch.

    So, the answer is not to stop releasing small patches, but to make it CRYSTAL clear that the small patches do not reflect even a decent portion of the team's efforts to improve the game, and that they need to call small, relatively menial patches exactly that. Up front. They need to say it before we say it.

    That will go a long way.

    There's zero reason for Yoshi to apologize every time the team releases an update. A house is made of many bricks, not four slabs of concrete. Rushing through the development process was what got SE into this mess - continuing to do it isn't going to help. The best thing they can do right now is work as quickly as they can within their quality assurance guidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post

    There's zero reason for Yoshi to apologize every time the team releases an update. A house is made of many bricks, not four slabs of concrete. Rushing through the development process was what got SE into this mess - continuing to do it isn't going to help. The best thing they can do right now is work as quickly as they can within their quality assurance guidelines.
    Uh, yeah there's very much a reason for him to apologize at every update until there's a smash hit. That reason is that 3/4 of this game's population quit because the game's content was substandard, and 9/10 of this game's expected population never even tried it because of its horrible reviews.

    You...you are a gross minority. Don't tell them what they do and don't need to apologize for as someone they obviously still have. Dead people, and absent people, aren't here to disagree with you. If they were, you'd be drowned.
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    if this is about 1.17 getting broken up due to holiday. Then its a good thing. Why do you ask? when you promise holiday events and have them weeks or mnths late, they loose their meaning. Like DCUO are delaying holiday events with patches instead of at least giving ppl a holiday to do.

    DCUO had valentines day AFTER the real valentines day. And their st paddy event is coming out some time this week.

    Holidays break up the monotony (sp) of doing the same thing everyday. Or seeing the sane thing everyday.

    I think the patches coming out like they are, are fine. You need to do both hot fixes and big patches. Also ppl need to just not be overly picky about them. Each patch lil or big is impriving the game bit by bit.

    Large patches take time to code, recode, test, retest not to mention the dowmtime plus install.
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    A few comments

    Yoshi explained why the updates seem small. I believe his words where something like this. We are working on redoing the battle system which is our first priority, and we cannot release this in smaller patches. So we will be releasing this in larger patches throughout the summer.

    ON top of that he said he will show us pictures of the dungeons they are working on soon, and he has mentioned companys and the fact he has put a team into place for developing quest.

    Correct me if I am wrong but does that not specifically say that what you see is not what they have been focusing on mainly, since they have not patched in any of their main project yet.

    The best thing for Yoshi-P to do atm, is to ignore the entire fanbase that is raging about the speed of the updates. IF you really want the game to succeed it has to be done right and well. If you cannot play the game in its current condition stop playing, if you cannot wait 6-9 months for a great game to come out of this then play one of the dozen or so World of Warcraft spin-offs for a few months.
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    Yoshi_P, please disregard this thread. I can barely make any sense of it in the first place and its so full of contradictions...

    Yoshida does not need to change himself. lol he just needs to continue what he is doing and change the game, then when we have our updates, we can stop making threads like this. This isn't helping at all.

    Key Threads to be posting in are:
    Two Tier Class System
    Class System Skill Tree
    Etc. (Any thread that is a well-formed suggestion)

    If only there was a way to limit the amount of threads one could make.. -_-
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