[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[solracht]

If you think not dealing with the real problem is going to do anything, then think again. I agree that the way the system works right now is horrible for the game and completely backwards (I've posted a lot about it, actually), but you're not accomplishing anything unless you do a lot more.

The root of the problem is simple: most guildleves are horrible and a complete waste of time.

If you make it so guildleves can't be re-tried when you fail them, people will teleport to every guildleve counter every reset before choosing the 8 best guildleves.

If you make it so you can choose the 8 guildleves you want every reset (instead of the counter offering 3 random ones) people will still do the same 8 guildleves every reset, from rank 30 to rank 50, which is also horrible for the game.

[solracht]

If you make it so guildleves can't be re-tried when you fail them, people will teleport to every guildleve counter every reset before choosing the 8 best guildleves.

If you make it so you can choose the 8 guildleves you want every reset (instead of the counter offering 3 random ones) people will still do the same 8 guildleves every reset, from rank 30 to rank 50, which is also horrible for the game.

To clarify on this: I actually think these two things will be added eventually, but it will be pointless (and will only piss people off) before rebalancing how guildleve rewards are awarded.

EDIT: Buttons gets it! Although personally I don't think the solution is adding 30 enemies to every guildeve, but rather doing something so short guildleves are worth your time (adding extra experience points at the end, possibly).

Something to make rewards a little more consistent (one day you get 5 pages after 5 groups of mobs, the next day you take 20 minutes) would help, too.

[Jibe]

To clarify on this: I actually think these two things will be added eventually, but it will be pointless (and will only piss people off) before rebalancing how guildleve rewards are awarded.

EDIT: Buttons gets it! Although personally I don't think the solution is adding 30 enemies to every guildeve, but rather doing something so short guildleves are worth your time (adding extra experience points at the end, possibly).

Something to make rewards a little more consistent (one day you get 5 pages after 5 groups of mobs, the next day you take 20 minutes) would help, too.

I think this needs to happen too. Rebalancing leves seems to be the way to go. That way we could leave the fail option in, just to change leves so they are all equally rewarding in terms of SP. If we do that, we remove the desire to fail the leves.

[Sojiro]

If you think not dealing with the real problem is going to do anything, then think again. I agree that the way the system works right now is horrible for the game and completely backwards (I've posted a lot about it, actually), but you're not accomplishing anything unless you do a lot more.

The root of the problem is simple: most guildleves are horrible and a complete waste of time.

If you make it so guildleves can't be re-tried when you fail them, people will teleport to every guildleve counter every reset before choosing the 8 best guildleves.

If you make it so you can choose the 8 guildleves you want every reset (instead of the counter offering 3 random ones) people will still do the same 8 guildleves every reset, from rank 30 to rank 50, which is also horrible for the game.

Agreed with bolded, bring the rest of the leves up to snuff (or at least somewhat closer) and I doubt we'd see this as much as a problem.