[Dev 1011] Failing Guildleves Intentionally?

[solracht]

In all honesty, they should just make it so the leve disappears from the journal when you fail. I know it screws over some of the people who d/c but crafting works that way so why not? Its not very hero-esque to fail intentionally at the last minute

Last I checked I don't auto-fail a crafting leve if I logout or DC after activating it. That argument would be valid if you didn't auto-fail for disconnecting during battle leves.

[Jibe]

Last I checked I don't auto-fail a crafting leve if I logout or DC after activating it. That argument would be valid if you didn't auto-fail for disconnecting during battle leves.

The argument is still valid. He's making a comparison, not an identity.

[solracht]

If you think not dealing with the real problem is going to do anything, then think again. I agree that the way the system works right now is horrible for the game and completely backwards (I've posted a lot about it, actually), but you're not accomplishing anything unless you do a lot more.

The root of the problem is simple: most guildleves are horrible and a complete waste of time.

If you make it so guildleves can't be re-tried when you fail them, people will teleport to every guildleve counter every reset before choosing the 8 best guildleves.

If you make it so you can choose the 8 guildleves you want every reset (instead of the counter offering 3 random ones) people will still do the same 8 guildleves every reset, from rank 30 to rank 50, which is also horrible for the game.

[solracht]

If you make it so guildleves can't be re-tried when you fail them, people will teleport to every guildleve counter every reset before choosing the 8 best guildleves.

If you make it so you can choose the 8 guildleves you want every reset (instead of the counter offering 3 random ones) people will still do the same 8 guildleves every reset, from rank 30 to rank 50, which is also horrible for the game.

To clarify on this: I actually think these two things will be added eventually, but it will be pointless (and will only piss people off) before rebalancing how guildleve rewards are awarded.

EDIT: Buttons gets it! Although personally I don't think the solution is adding 30 enemies to every guildeve, but rather doing something so short guildleves are worth your time (adding extra experience points at the end, possibly).

Something to make rewards a little more consistent (one day you get 5 pages after 5 groups of mobs, the next day you take 20 minutes) would help, too.

[Jibe]

To clarify on this: I actually think these two things will be added eventually, but it will be pointless (and will only piss people off) before rebalancing how guildleve rewards are awarded.

EDIT: Buttons gets it! Although personally I don't think the solution is adding 30 enemies to every guildeve, but rather doing something so short guildleves are worth your time (adding extra experience points at the end, possibly).

Something to make rewards a little more consistent (one day you get 5 pages after 5 groups of mobs, the next day you take 20 minutes) would help, too.

I think this needs to happen too. Rebalancing leves seems to be the way to go. That way we could leave the fail option in, just to change leves so they are all equally rewarding in terms of SP. If we do that, we remove the desire to fail the leves.

[Sojiro]

If you think not dealing with the real problem is going to do anything, then think again. I agree that the way the system works right now is horrible for the game and completely backwards (I've posted a lot about it, actually), but you're not accomplishing anything unless you do a lot more.

The root of the problem is simple: most guildleves are horrible and a complete waste of time.

If you make it so guildleves can't be re-tried when you fail them, people will teleport to every guildleve counter every reset before choosing the 8 best guildleves.

If you make it so you can choose the 8 guildleves you want every reset (instead of the counter offering 3 random ones) people will still do the same 8 guildleves every reset, from rank 30 to rank 50, which is also horrible for the game.

Agreed with bolded, bring the rest of the leves up to snuff (or at least somewhat closer) and I doubt we'd see this as much as a problem.

[SeleneSinclair]

Last I checked I don't auto-fail a crafting leve if I logout or DC after activating it. That argument would be valid if you didn't auto-fail for disconnecting during battle leves.

Last I checked, insulting the community in your signature is inappropriate. Just because you don't like a change doesn't mean you need to insult the players who actually support what the developers have accomplished. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but since you've openly decided to berate the community for supporting their decision to make those changes is insulting. I've reported you, and I hope others do as well. Players like yourself aren't making this game better. The .01% of the community you represent doesn't account for the others who actually like the direction the development team has taken thus far, and look forward to upcoming changes.

Sorry to the rest of you folks for de-railing the thread a bit. I just can't stand for people who think they "represent all of us" by berating others. I have an opinion, but I'm not calling someone a "noob" or a "bad" over it. If I had an opinion, I'd stick a [dev] tag like 99% of the community has done and expressed it with intelligence rather than spite. To the players that agree with the OP's views, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but there is a civil way to post your views. Putting up a trolling billboard is not the right way to do it.

For those of you who are like "wha?" I'm commenting on his signature, which unfortunately doesn't link to a quote.

[solracht]

Last I checked, insulting the community in your signature is inappropriate. Just because you don't like a change doesn't mean you need to insult the players who actually support what the developers have accomplished. There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, but since you've openly decided to berate the community for supporting their decision to make those changes is insulting. I've reported you, and I hope others do as well. Players like yourself aren't making this game better. The .01% of the community you represent doesn't account for the others who actually like the direction the development team has taken thus far, and look forward to upcoming changes.

Sorry to the rest of you folks for de-railing the thread a bit. I just can't stand for people who think they "represent all of us" by berating others. I have an opinion, but I'm not calling someone a "noob" or a "bad" over it. If I had an opinion, I'd stick a [dev] tag like 99% of the community has done and expressed it with intelligence rather than spite. To the players that agree with the OP's views, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but there is a civil way to post your views. Putting up a trolling billboard is not the right way to do it.

For those of you who are like "wha?" I'm commenting on his signature, which unfortunately doesn't link to a quote.

If it makes you feel better, you're the third person who thought it was serious.

EDIT: Made it more obvious, just for you. Wouldn't want all that wind going to waste.