[Dev 1024] Linkshell Administration Options

[AshelyRiot]

I agree with this topic, I can't believe they went from linkshell system in XI to this watered down crap just like they did with friends list is laughable

[DonMega]

they are remodeling the client/server Communication system roots, i'm sure after this happen we will see implementation of LS features that we lack even LS functions from FFXI that we don't have. i don't think they wanna try implementing this stuff only to do it again after the system roots are remodeled.

[Colino]

they are remodeling the client/server UI system roots, i'm sure after this happen we will see implementation of LS features that we lack even LS functions from FFXI that we don't have. i don't think they wanna try implementing this stuff only to do it again after the system roots are remodeled.

The problem is this "remodeling" is taking way, way too long and the MASSIVE amount of features and settings that have been pushed back because of "server limitations" is just so huge at this point. There's no way they'll manage to push it all out as soon as the fixes are done (if they ever actually happen, because 8 months into the new dev team I'm starting to lose confidence). As it stands they're all promises they can't keep and those (IMO) are exactly what got this game such a bad rep in the first place.

[Holland]

The problem is this "remodeling" is taking way, way too long and the MASSIVE amount of features and settings that have been pushed back because of "server limitations" is just so huge at this point. There's no way they'll manage to push it all out as soon as the fixes are done (if they ever actually happen, because 8 months into the new dev team I'm starting to lose confidence). As it stands they're all promises they can't keep and those (IMO) are exactly what got this game such a bad rep in the first place.

Yes Colino, all that has been said over and over again. Still, they keep the game free, they can not charge, still they keep the servers up, still they keep trying to fix the problems the previous Dev Team left and still plan to make this game a success after all is said and done.

Please tell me: What else do you think they should do after everything they are doing up until now? How do you know everything they are doing (Which I believe is huge) is all they can do while thinking of the massive hit this game is to their company in terms of failed revenue, lost investment, etc? What else man.. really, what else they need to do to satisfy your personal needs?

Its their game, its their money and is their choice how they allocate their resources. If this game fails it will not affect you directly at all. So please, just take it easy and see if they pull it off or not, move on to better things in the meantime, play other games, what ever you think will work for you.

[Colino]

Its their game, its their money and is their choice how they allocate their resources. If this game fails it will not affect you directly at all. So please, just take a chill pill and see if they pull it off or not, move on to better things in the meantime, play other games, what ever you think will work for you. Raging in the forums and calling names to their employees is not the way to go.

I didn't call anyone names and do my best to never do so.

I'm sorry it sounds like raging banther but I feel like every day that goes by they care less and less about the BASICS, the stuff that should've been in the game at launch. It just seems that they prefer to work on swimsuits and implementing elevator music on every map before actually fixing the massive lag and the jaw droppingly terrible UI.

I'm not ranting in some huge angry rampage, I'm just talking about stuff. My language is rough and dirty sometimes but that doesn't mean I'm yelling at my screen or shaking my fist in the air while I'm typing all this stuff...

[Holland]

I didn't call anyone names and do my best to never do so.

I will be glad to edit my post. It is true no literal name calling was done on your part. Some do have rough ways of communicating. But, the point still stands:

They want the game to succeed, therefore, basic features must be implemented before they even begin to ask for fees (I believe no one, including myself, would pay for the game how it is now, or even right after 1.19 without ease of use features). So saying they will forget about them is definitely saying they like shooting themselves in the foot. They have acknowledge countless times now basic features like the ones XI had and some other MMO's features will be added as soon as they fix the mythical server problems.

But what I am trying to say is: I believe they are doing everything they can do with what has been given to them.

[Tsuga]

I didn't call anyone names and do my best to never do so.

I'm sorry it sounds like raging banther but I feel like every day that goes by they care less and less about the BASICS, the stuff that should've been in the game at launch. It just seems that they prefer to work on swimsuits and implementing elevator music on every map before actually fixing the massive lag and the jaw droppingly terrible UI.

I'm not ranting in some huge angry rampage, I'm just talking about stuff. My language is rough and dirty sometimes but that doesn't mean I'm yelling at my screen or shaking my fist in the air while I'm typing all this stuff...

To be fair, the music existed before game launch, and the swimsuits likely did, too. Hell, the dungeons existed before launch, we saw screenshots of them before alpha.

My point is that there is a UI specific team, and their only task is working on the UI. That's how SE's entire development process works for every single game that is made in house. They have artists that specialize in drawing COBBLE STONES for towns.

While I agree that LS functionality is an important matter that should be addressed, acting like every implementation to the game is taking resources away from the things that you think should be addressed first is a flawed mentality that many people seem to have on these forums. "They should have implemented THIS instead of THAT" usually doesn't hold water, because a lot of the things that have been implemented outside of mechanic revamps are assets that existed pre-launch, and pre-team shift.

Sorry, I'm not trying to pick on you, just addressing this mentality in general. It's been irking me lately.

Edit:
Also, I'm happy that this topic is getting some attention. It is an issue that really does need to be addressed sooner than later. I'm tired of having my shells get re-pearled.

[AmyRae]

I'm sorry it sounds like raging banther but I feel like every day that goes by they care less and less about the BASICS, the stuff that should've been in the game at launch. It just seems that they prefer to work on swimsuits and implementing elevator music on every map before actually fixing the massive lag and the jaw droppingly terrible UI.

It's not that they won't be addressing it, but that they aren't wasting any time propping up a poor system that's going to need to be replaced in its entirety. It may be inconvenient now, but it's the fastest way to get something that works well from the ground up, and I'd much prefer that.

Take a look at the current Search system they have. They tried propping that up with some convoluted "seek" functionality that builds on the existing, inadequate system... And frankly, it was a waste of time. No one really uses it, nor would be acceptable to keep Search the way it is for the relaunch. Ultimately, it was pointless to even try adding features to something no one wants to use. It has to be overhauled.

It's the same with the Linkshell system. They could go to great lengths to squeeze in an extra feature or two, but if it's not designed to deal with kicking someone who's offline, or requiring people to be in the same zone to perform administrative tasks, then what's the point? If it has to be completely replaced to make it work right, then don't waste time on the old system.

[DonMega]

The problem is this "remodeling" is taking way, way too long and the MASSIVE amount of features and settings that have been pushed back because of "server limitations" is just so huge at this point. There's no way they'll manage to push it all out as soon as the fixes are done (if they ever actually happen, because 8 months into the new dev team I'm starting to lose confidence). As it stands they're all promises they can't keep and those (IMO) are exactly what got this game such a bad rep in the first place.

I'm sure they wanna have it done and all the features added just as much as you do but the fact is its not there yet or we would have it, you can complain all you like but it won't speed their processes up any. Just know that they are working on it and if its worth doing its worth doing right so they don't have to back track anymore then they have to. Trust me they wanna fix this because its one of the many stepping stones toward making money off this game.