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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Lion View Post
    Seriously.

    If its so hard to do things, why did you create a system that is so hard to work with, S.E.?

    These seem like questions that customers shouldnt be asking the professionals.

    It would be like a customer coming to me asking for sinks in their bathrooms, and me telling them that its too hard for our carpenters to do, so we might be able to do it, but don't expect them until way way after you move in....in the mean time, here is a bucket with some water in it, and a bar of soap. We cant forget the bar of soap.
    Grim Lion my friend. Does it serve any purpose to ask why* they programmed the game as it is?

    I believe they have already received their backlash hard enough and are still getting it. They have lost millions of yens, they still keep loosing money as we speak, and will keep loosing until several years after the game starts charging fees. They have acknowledged several times now there are server problems they are trying to fix.

    What else do they need to say or do so you feel better? Besides keeping the servers up, keeping the game free, opening up to the fans like never before in SE's history and apologizing over and over again for their blunder. What else Grim Lion? What else is there to do? Go ahead...
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    Thanks for the 5 ifrits canes Yoshi i can build a life raft and use them to float to another mmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holland View Post
    Grim Lion my friend. Does it serve any purpose to ask why* they programmed the game as it is?

    I believe they have already received their backlash hard enough and are still getting it. They have lost millions of yens, they still keep loosing money as we speak, and will keep loosing until several years after the game starts charging fees. They have acknowledged several times now there are server problems they are trying to fix.

    What else do they need to say or do so you feel better? Besides keeping the servers up, keeping the game free, opening up to the fans like never before in SE's history and apologizing over and over again for their blunder. What else Grim Lion? What else is there to do? Go ahead...
    I dont expect them to answer a question like that on a forum like this. Its a general question to make a point.

    I dont think you get it. I dont care about their jobs, their apologies, or really anything else other than a quality game to play.

    IMHO, I dont even think that these forums are needed. Our suggestions shouldnt be needed as much as they are with this game. Once again, they are supposed to be the professionals. They are supposed to know how to create an MMO. This isnt an indi-open-source game that we all are supposed to have an opinion in. I bought this game because I wanted a hard set traditional final fantasy XI type game with the very least more options that XI itself and that has completely failed so far. Dont fool yourself if you think some more missions (companys), another dungeon (that will be cleaned out and empty in 3 weeks), or chocobos are going to bring people back, or make this game compeat with others on the market.... This game has possibly years to even catch up to FFxi.

    God forbid that I expected something playable after a year of release when I bought the C.E.

    I wouldnt even be mad if they decided to pull the plug on this game and restart for a window after "Titan" is released. Thats how long I think it will take to fix this game at this pace.

    Its a year after release. No one cares about the truth, realities or mishaps, they only see this game in basiaclly the same state it was 12 months ago and at this pace its going to take years to fix. This is unacceptable, people are getting tired and more importantly just giving up on this process and restructure. Yoshi is cool and all, but hes not the second coming of jebus, at least yet, and I dont think its fair to ask him to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Lion View Post
    I dont expect them to answer a question like that on a forum like this. Its a general question to make a point.

    I dont think you get it. I dont care about their jobs, their apologies, or really anything else other than a quality game to play.

    IMHO, I dont even think that these forums are needed. Our suggestions shouldnt be needed as much as they are with this game. Once again, they are supposed to be the professionals. They are supposed to know how to create an MMO. This isnt an indi-open-source game that we all are supposed to have an opinion in. I bought this game because I wanted a hard set traditional final fantasy XI type game with the very least more options that XI itself and that has completely failed so far. Dont fool yourself if you think some more missions (companys), another dungeon (that will be cleaned out and empty in 3 weeks), or chocobos are going to bring people back, or make this game compeat with others on the market.... This game has possibly years to even catch up to FFxi.

    God forbid that I expected something playable after a year of release when I bought the C.E.

    I wouldnt even be mad if they decided to pull the plug on this game and restart for a window after "Titan" is released. Thats how long I think it will take to fix this game at this pace.

    Its a year after release. No one cares about the truth, realities or mishaps, they only see this game in basiaclly the same state it was 12 months ago and at this pace its going to take years to fix. This is unacceptable, people are getting tired and more importantly just giving up on this process and restructure. Yoshi is cool and all, but hes not the second coming of jebus, at least yet, and I dont think its fair to ask him to be.
    You should have seen how hard set and traditional FFXI was in it's first 2 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mightyg View Post
    You should have seen how hard set and traditional FFXI was in it's first 2 years.
    This isnt FFxi. Lesson should have been learned. Method perfected and refined. Application and quality improved.

    There shouldnt be a regression. Customers shouldn't have to tell them this.

    Dont worry, I remeber how it was when it was released here in NA, and the rumors of how bad it was. That doesnt make it right or necessary or acceptable any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim_Lion View Post
    This isnt FFxi. Lesson should have been learned. Method perfected and refined. Application and quality improved.

    There shouldnt be a regression. Customers shouldn't have to tell them this.

    Dont worry, I remeber how it was when it was released here in NA, and the rumors of how bad it was. That doesnt make it right or necessary or acceptable any longer.
    "This is not what I was promised"
    "After seeing FFXI, why this game was released like this?"
    "They should have learned from FFXI and build upon it"

    Etc, etc, etc.

    All those things and many, many more have been said for the past year. We all know, we complained non stop. Some of us dont even play that much, because its not worth it to play an unfinished game.

    But you have not yet answered my question. They are doing everything they can to try and turn this game around, weather they fail or succeed is irrelevant. They are doing everything they can with what has been given to them by SE.

    What else do you think they can do?

    What would you do? (Thinking that, like every project, you have been given a budget and a time frame to fix the issues)

    Two simple questions with really long and complex answers.

    I think one year is enough time to get pass the "Why did this game fail when it had so many things going for it" mindset. It already happened. No reason to cry for spilled milk after a long year. If you take the time to see past your dissatisfaction, you will remember the teams were changed, the direction of the game had to be redesigned, the core mechanics are still being re-done and blah blah blah the same information we know since God knows when, but that anyone with enough working brain cells know its not something that is doable in three to six months (Even if you do not have knowledge of game development, like myself).

    I see by your history you are a pretty active player, you like playing the game. But you are playing an unfinished game and at the same time you are complaining the game is not finished, so why do you keep playing? why dont you wait until is worthy of your money and then come back? Take a break, or... keep playing the game, get past the same repetitive complaints about what should have been and is not and look forward to changes the developer is willing to put out so you are a happy customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikozaemon View Post
    Thanks for the 5 ifrits canes Yoshi i can build a life raft and use them to float to another mmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holland View Post
    What would you do? (Thinking that, like every project, you have been given a budget and a time frame to fix the issues)
    I would go to the Directors of S.E., those in charge of the money and demand more money to hire more people to get the game fixed faster. If they said no, I would walk off the job because, at least from my chair seat, it seems like there is no hope without said influx of staff.

    But Im done with my /rant now. Like I said, I dont expect SE to respond. I just need to get it off my chest.
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