[Dev 1024] Linkshell Administration Options

[Reinheart]

英語圏の方ですね。レスポンスありがとうございます。
ここではカレントの色の事ではなく、リンクシェルのチャットログや、ゲーム時のログイン表示状況の事について意見を出し合ってます。
You must be from the NA side, thanks for the response.
In this thread we are not talking about the color of the current linkshell, but giving suggestions about linkshell chat log or login display situation when in game.

The thread title is "What do you think of the LS/Friendlist method" and her first post says

Anyways I started a thread on the JP side a while back about the LS crest and I linked that image before after asking on this side that had that image on one of the threads and had some feedbacks in there but I don't think the reps responded to that one. Here: http://goo.gl/Y2otL

[Rhianu]

Huh? I quit long ago, but im not one to have just 1 game in my life. I play several...

I come here to look for a glimmer of hope this game can do anything but then I real the same old bullshit excuse "just wait longer its too hard!" for the most basic of things. It makes me laugh that SE struggle on such things.

I think you're underestimating how long game development actually takes. Try actually making a game yourself, and see how fast YOU can make even basic things.

Anyways I started a thread on the JP side a while back about the LS crest and I linked that image before after asking on this side that had that image on one of the threads and had some feedbacks in there but I don't think the reps responded to that one. Here: http://goo.gl/Y2otL

Oh wow, I had no idea you posted that! Thanks! ^_^

I'm kind of hesitant to ask, but I would really like to know what those people thought about my mockup image. But if you don't have time or don't want to translate all that, I understand.

[viion]

I think you're underestimating how long game development actually takes. Try actually making a game yourself, and see how fast YOU can make even basic things.

Oh I didnt know it was 1 man, on his own, without a previous mmo experience, degrees, money etc building XIV. But it would explain why its so poorly created!

So a stupid comment to even try compare...

SE has money, it has lots of employees on XIV, it has people with experience, working on it for years, specialing on specific things and they cant even do what most indie developers do in a extremely short time. Hell build the tools correctly and you shouldnt have problem but they cant even do that. So sad that SE skill and expertise lacks that of non-gaming "professionals" communities.

And I could probably make a guild like system in a very short time with any current *DK that exceeds in what SE have or even plan to do. Its not a 3d physics engine when making crud lists...

[AmyRae]

SE has money, it has lots of employees on XIV, it has people with experience, working on it for years, specialing on specific things and they cant even do what most indie developers do in a extremely short time. Hell build the tools correctly and you shouldnt have problem but they cant even do that. So sad that SE skill and expertise lacks that of non-gaming "professionals" communities.

And I could probably make a guild like system in a very short time with any current *DK that exceeds in what SE have or even plan to do. Its not a 3d physics engine when making crud lists...

But could you make one that fits within the limitations of PS3's memory while the rest of the game is running, one that works in 4 languages, that plugs into the auto-translate feature, that won't crash ever, but if it did, wouldn't take down the whole client or the whole server? Oh, and the linkshell needs to be extremely efficient at referencing a database filled with millions of characters in order to send all chat messages to all connected linkshell members server-wide because even the slightest delay could result in someone not getting an important message during an LS event in time. Oh, and you have to deal with unresponsive clients that are lagging so make sure your messaging can handle that. Make sure to make a graphically sound user-interface for administrative tasks that's easy to understand and works well with a mouse, keyboard, and/or controller. Oh, and it has to plug into an as-of-yet non-existent player search function so you can run some administrative tasks through it as well.

And oh, by the way, this thing has to manage hundreds of linkshells across every server, so make sure there aren't any bugs in it whatsoever? Because, that would be catastrophic and unacceptable to the players. I mean, like, how hard could it be, amiright?

Do you understand there's more involved here than writing a simple program that organizes a list?

[Reinheart]

They are suggesting more of what kind of crest, crest variations in there.

Poice - crest from WoW is nice
Minana - having combination like from HALO where you have main crest + sub crest and being able to choose color would be nice
boot - if you can make your own crest (since i mentioned someone on NA side suggested dot editor but might cause issue) might be a problem - even if they add more crests might have a limit.
Rodion - (same idea as Minana) but saying adding animal icon + weapon icons
boot - talking about how about having 3 city flags as icon
Thursday - saying the color tweak bar you added is actually just on/off switch but thought NA's also thought of that bar as a seek bar

I like the Main + sub combination idea but thats about it on that thread.

[Rhianu]

Thursday - saying the color tweak bar you added is actually just on/off switch but thought NA's also thought of that bar as a seek bar

Yeah, to me that actually seems like another one of the design flaws in FFXIV's interface. A seek bar like that should never be used to represent a two-state switch. If you ask me, that's just bad interface design. Those kinds of slider bars should only be used as seek bars for adjusting options with a range of variables (like from 1 to 100). A two-state switch should be a checkbox, not a seek bar or slider. That's why I used the bar the way I did in that image: because that's how you're supposed to use a seek bar. Kind of a subtle hint to SE, lol.

Anyway, thanks for the translation.

[Uzziah]

I can understand why a complete overhaul is needed. I can only imagine the mistakes made by the initial devs. We have no idea why this game turned out the way it did and SE will NEVER step up and tell us the truth so we can only make assumptions. I've been a developer for over 20 years and I have some pretty good ideas of what's going on. I can tell you this much, SE made some serious mistakes, many in the staffing of the initial teams that were responsible for developing this game. Believe me, they are paying for their mistakes dearly and you can bet they won't make them again.

However, the point remains that we, the players are still screwed and still waiting. I will be ill if one more person asks for my patience after I've been loyal to them for over a year. (mainly because there isn't anything else out there worth playing, but that may soon change too) A year is more than ampel time to get this thing going. I hope they have a player base left by the time they finally get this thing they call a game, up to a professional standard.

[Victor]

Re: Rukkirii's last post here:

It would be wonderful if these changes could be proceeded with hastily. An online game simply needs them and I don't think it's a stretch to say that almost every player has noticed their absence. Please please please get these additions implemented as soon as possible

[Keftenk]

Please please please get these additions implemented as soon as possible

Soon as possible is going to be 6-9 months ;=;

[Mightyg]

What I'd like to see:

Add/Remove member for admins, Add/Remove admin for leader.

LS announcments for weekly and daily messages so you could have the overall message, and specific messages for the days activities.

An option for the leader to multisend gil to all selected members on a list so gil can be distributed evenly to all active members for a weeks activities.

Commendations that last a month so leaders can award gold stars to members that are especially helpful/consistent. admins could grant silver stars. Would show up under your crest and in the ls list. Would be temporary so people wouldn't just give them out for looks to friends.

New crest designs and color palate that fits the world so they're distinct but not a stark contrast to everything else. rings, bracelets, necklaces, and shoulder pauldrons with a small visual spot for linkshells crest to be added.

a linkshell headquarters room in the bazaar zone where meeting could be held, free teleports, linkshell leves could be distributed there, community box that could be filled with consumable items like meds, food, and ammo. Allowing individual members to take a stack a week or day. trophy skulls of boss kills adorning the walls, along with banners and other citations.