More primals than elements?

[Meliae]

I would think Odin is elder primal along side with Bhamut, while behemoth I dont think counts as primal its more like a avatar of so and so god like that Basilisk in coerthas.

if anything I would say Behemoth to be Beast king, while Midgardsorm to be lesser primal one that doesn't govern a element but needs to be summoned into the world none the less.

also the Dark guys seem to be governed by one of the gods, so is it Evil Deity ? we dont know that yet as we are yet to find out which deity it is, also in V1.0 I always thought that the one in Dalamud the lesser moon was Odin dont know why but yea, should have thought about it that in every FF game Bhamut is the one who is locked/sealed up in start, I guess it was noobish mistake T_T

[jomoru]

I would think Odin is elder primal along side with Bhamut, while behemoth I dont think counts as primal its more like a avatar of so and so god like that Basilisk in coerthas.

if anything I would say Behemoth to be Beast king, while Midgardsorm to be lesser primal one that doesn't govern a element but needs to be summoned into the world none the less.

Primals don't leave corpses, Midgardsormr's corpse is in the world.

[finiteHP]

Primals don't leave corpses, Midgardsormr's corpse is in the world.

Yep. It has been confirmed (again) that Midgarsormr is not a primal.

I realize you all are expecting a witty response from our resident loremaster but, alas, he is indisposed. So, in his stead, allow me to clarify in my own way:

Midgardsormr ain't a primal.

No ifs, ands, or buts.

I know they aren't of the Spoken, but Mandragoras should have a primal named Ozymandias. He'd be a elder primal of course what with being the king of kings.

[Toranja]

Facts:
There are six elements, plus the non-elemental nature: earth, fire, ice, lightning, water, wind. These six elements can be captured into crystals. There is also deaspected crystals, which fit with the non-elemental nature.

There are six astral eras, six + one umbral eras.

There are twelve gods: two for each element, one for each month. I guess one for each era as well.

There are six known primals: Titan (Earth), Ifrit (Fire), Garuda (Wind), Leviathan (Water), Shiva (Ice) and Ramuh (Lightning).

There are Elder Primals: Bahamut and Odin.

Also, there are voidsent and the towering crystal Hydaelin.


Guessing:
In order to have duality, we need to have six more primals, one for each element. They could be the elder primals, but I brush that thought aside.

These six primals to be seen might be special. For as we have a primal for each element, we might group these six into the "umbral faction" of each element. The primals to be seen might be the "astral faction".

At the very least, there are five elder primals missing - one for each umbral era. I imagine they are elementally aligned with the era's element. Odin is the Lightning Elder Primal.

Bahamut's existence heralds a 13th god (the towering crystal Hydaelin?).

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how any of the previous astral eras ended? It can help.

[Roguestrike]

I could be way off but I think it was said in the game that the primals are born from the belief of there worshipers and the more worshipers they have the more powerful they are. If this is the case then they are very similar to the chaos gods of Warhammer who are formed from the essence of chaos in the void and belief makes the exits. If this is the case then there could be an infinite number of primals as long as someone can imagine them and believe in them. The powerful ones will be the ones with lots of followers.

If this is the case then the devs could add whatever they want. This could also mean that the twelve are the same thing.

On a side note magic in warhammer works the same way it is basically the willpower of the mage that forms the spell out of the chos of the void, also superstition works in this kind of world because belief effects magic.

[Toranja]

I understand your point. But I have to point out that by "born" it means "they are brought to this world".

The tribes do not create Primals, they bring them to this world. And from what I have seen, despite still being stuck at level 20, the Paragons assigned a Primal to a tribe.

Speaking of which, we can get a better hold of this mystery, if we better understand the relationships between the Primals, the Paragons and the beast tribes. Does the main story shed some light on this after level 20?

[Koldhara]

it isn't necessary for each primal to be associated with an element. there is also no reason to believe that each primal is restricted to any number of elements either. some of this may have been done for the sake of familiarity, but outside of the elemental based Primals, it is safe to assume that anything goes.

seeing as summoners can bring forth essence of the primals, it opens up a lot of possibilities for future summons for them. unfortunately, in 11, each summon had a strict association and the danger here is to use that as a template.

[PSxpert2011]

Have you guys forgot about Good King Moogle? I want him back! @_@

[Meliae]

Have you guys forgot about Good King Moogle? I want him back! @_@

he was confirmed as not being a primal but yes he was summoned like primal, just like midgrossmrr but yea I would like to see him in a fate as well as his battle to come back

[Eidolith]

Aren't there countless primals? In the 1.0 intro the aetheric seal beneath Silvertear Falls was destroyed and the primals were released in all those streams of light, though we were only able to make out some of the known ones.

Think as others have stated, if enough belive in a deity in Eorzea, it will manifest itself in the aether. The Twelve seem to be like that too, and they are summonable according to Lahabrea who tried making the young Ala Mhigans summon Rhalgr.

Off topic, I think it's cool that the masked man is named Lahabrea after the light scion counterpart of the esper Mateus from FFXII.