More primals than elements?

[Xeia]

We've also seen concept art for mobs I /assume/ are primals, but may not be. They do usually appear as espers/avatars/aeons/whatever that particular FF calls summons. We've seen Typhon, Fenrir, Amon... concept art that's been repeatedly assumed to be Siren though I don't think that's been confirmed... I'm sure there are others I can't think of at the moment.

[Tashyu]

From What I can figure. the Primals are "Embodiments" of the element By their Worshiper, so it only goes to assume that figure would take on the form of what that culture believes it to be. While channeling the energies of fire. one tribe may imagine Ifrit. while another across the sea may picture him as a Giant lizard. and a third still may picture a giant baby who farts flame. it is all in their eyes. so when the energy manifests that is the form they give him. thus explaining the overlapping elements.

[ogopogo]

From What I can figure. the Primals are "Embodiments" of the element By their Worshiper, so it only goes to assume that figure would take on the form of what that culture believes it to be. While channeling the energies of fire. one tribe may imagine Ifrit. while another across the sea may picture him as a Giant lizard. and a third still may picture a giant baby who farts flame. it is all in their eyes. so when the energy manifests that is the form they give him. thus explaining the overlapping elements.

If Primals are only the manifestation of their follower's belief then why do they seem have dealing with the Paragons themselves before they were even summoned into the world in corporeal form? It seems the Paragons have methods of communicating with the Primals while they're still part of the planet's aether and that would imply that Primals' consciousness are still active in that state and they might be much more than physical manifestation of the element shaped by belief. I find the whole matter intriguing and I'd definite love to see how this relates to the Twelves.

Good King Moggle Mog XII: Primal of the Moogles.

Yoshida specifically said that King Moggle Mog is not a Primal in Letter from Producer VII. While he is summoned the same way as the Primals are, he is apparently not one of them. I have no idea what the difference is though.

[Ruanark]

Considering the similarities between XIV and XI when it comes to Primals and Avatars here's a list of the Avatars and groups they fall under:

8 Celestial Avatars
Shiva, Ifrit, Leviathan, Ramuh, Titan, Garuda, identical to XIV, but then there are 2 more elements
Odin, Alexander, so far Alexander hasn't been mentioned and Dark/Light aren't elements like they were in XI

5 Terrestial Avatars
Bahamut (Dragon, Nonelemental/Fire idr, The Wyrmking, Conqueror of the Skies), Carbuncle (Fox, Light, The Bringer of Rainbows, The Trickster), Fenrir (Wolf, Dark, The Great Beast, Guardian of the Moon), Diabolos (Bat, Dark, Lord of Dynamis, it's Diabolos and NOT Diablos), Phoenix (Bird, Fire/Light?, Fiery Bird of Rebirth)
So far we have Bahamut, Carbuncle (who is not a Primal... as far as we know) and Fenrir (who may/may not be a Primal), only missing 2 of the Terrestials in XIV

2 Temporal Avatars
Cait Sith (Light elemental?), Atomos (Dark elemental?)
Atomos is a voidsent in 14?

??? Avatar
Siren

[Taelyn]

8 Celestial Avatars
Shiva, Ifrit, Leviathan, Ramuh, Titan, Garuda, identical to XIV, but then there are 2 more elements
Odin, Alexander, so far Alexander hasn't been mentioned and Dark/Light aren't elements like they were in XI

We actually had Astral and Umbral (Light/Dark) elements up until the major battle system change in 1.0 (patch 1.18 if memory serves). Since then they have taken a backseat, but I wouldn't count them out just yet. From playing around with Arcanist in phase 4, it appears they may be tapping into those.

[jomoru]

FF has a strong balance between Light and Dark theme(With Astral/Umbral being its representation in this particular incarnation). What if the 12 are the Light aspect with Each primal being a Dark aspect. With each Primal matching up with one of the 12(thus having 12 primals)

[chumsy]

you guys forgot Cactuar King, Primal of the desert. 10,000 needles!

[Anonymoose]

All I want is the Goblin King; a steampunk-themed, firework-filled, fun-like-the-moogle-king fight rife with jokes about (and maybe music inspired by) David Bowie.

[Meliae]

Right time for me to add my bit in, I would say that siren is going to be primal for lamia, also considering the video of silver skies battle it is mentioned we were halted when primal midgarosmer was summoned even though we successeded in killing it but we lost our flagship and most of our attack force which makes me say drakes have him as their primal but bhamut is the elder primal not a normal primal, meaning he isn't linked to anyone element.

As for mommoulja(sp?) I would think their primal would be a fire based like cereberus. Of course we are mostly going with tge tribes we know but what is the main reason for the empire to attack and what is their one true god? It's not one of the twelve we know since they are being called false gods also in v1.0 there was a mission in mor dona where they converted prisoners to their own belief by some ceremony so it makes me think they have a primal? Or even a god they had summoned that marked them into feral like the beastmen.

Also what are the elementals of gridania since they have more then enough power to make garuda / ramuh stay their hand, even in weakend state wince the calamity.

Forgot to mention whats the primal for ogres, or are they part of gigas tribe? Because to me they seemed more fire aligned then ice...

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

I guess our "pantheon" should be like this.

Primals.

- Ifrit: Fire.
- Shiva: Ice.
- Garuda: Wind.
- Leviathan: Water.
- Titan: Earth.
- Ramuh: Lightning.

ELDER primals.

- Bahamut - Non-Elemental.
- Odin - Dark.
- Alexander - Light. (srsly, alexander is cool, just sayin)

Higher creatures.

- Nidhogg - Dragon King.
- Midgardsorm - Death cause noob lol.
- Behemoth - ????

Guardian Deity.

Hell, 12 of em. Which seems to be "good".

Zodiac Braves.

Come on, we can have other 12 "primal like enemies", maybe something like "guardian deity nemesis", or "bad version of the guardians". I would just love to see them in game.

Yeah, we got like 10 years of "godtier hunting" worth in summons, primals, god, etc, etc, etc.

AND just add Alexander!