More primals than elements?

[NoloeTazier]

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Speaking of Paragons, I'm pretty sure Ascians were referred by the same title by Y'shtola in the LL story I've played through so far.

What is even stranger by this is that apparently the Paragons taught the beast tribes how to summon the Primals, yet in one of the original story quests of 1.0 you saw the Ixal and Amal'jaa head for the hills when they sensed the presence of an Ascian.

Chalk it up to an incomplete storyline maybe? It seems to be the accepted story going forward anyway was that that took place during the 7th Umbral Era and everything prior to the original main storyline (Silvertear Falls, etc.)

Sorry for going off on a tangent.

All good --- pretty sure us Loremongers felt like SE may have just lumped the Paragons and Ascians together for a matter of convenience. Paragons would look like simply robed-Eorzean Mages, Wood Wailers wear masks after all, so they may have not felt threatened. However a 1.0 Ascian looked like a GrimReaper, that would scare anyone which made it entirely 'different.' Travanchet was referred to as an Ascian or at least in cahoots with them and he looked like an average Elezen, maybe he will return.

Edit: also wished SE would let the Lore forum have unlimited characters, hard to discuss things ;-;

[Anonymoose]

Travanchet was referred to as an Ascian or at least in cahoots with them

Speaking as a Lominsan, Travanchet was undoubtably Ascian. He was shadowless and his theme music matched the music that played when we saw the reaper. Now, we also saw the reaper while sniffing around for information on Paragons, so that makes sense. The thing is, the main scenario in ARR is very similar to the main scenario in 1.0, just stripped and rebuilt. Can we ever expect them to loop all the 1.0 stuff back around in ARR just to close the book on it? Or will we have to rely on Ferne to spend his quieter days at the office in the future tossing us a chapter-closer every now and again? Now that you mention it, I should do us a favor and prevent that from getting out of hand...

[Catapult]

Ahh, primal theory. You want mine? Cause it's deep. You've been warned.

Primals are described as being amongst the aether, and when summoned out consume it to maintain a corporeal form. They have thought and emotion, with which they temper others to share a belief in them. Primal manifestations are influenced by faith, which is thought.

Hydaelyn, the lifestream of aether in the planet, has also crystalised into a being with thought. One that can hear, feel, think and influences others to do so. The manifestation of Hydaelyn is in many ways like the manifestation of a primal.

Aether is the source of life and life interacts with aether.

To me, this all implies that aether itself can hear, feel and think. And thus it can develop emotions. This power interacts with the thought of the life it flows through. Thought and belief breeds, creating a manifestation of what people believe the world to be like, including all of its magical characteristics and resident gods.

6 elements would thus exist because the world believes they exist and the aspect of each can be crystalised from it. But that is not all that can be crystallized. If something is believed in strongly enough, anything becomes possible.

(I'm not trying to draw any direct comparisons to the Fayth of FFX here, but I won't object to any indirect ones.)

Time will tell how close I am to the mark.

[Iskander]

We have 9 explicitly

Ifrit
Leviathan
Titan
Garuda
Ramuh
Shiva
Bahamut
Odin
Behemoth

I am counting a little more than 9

Earth: Titan
Fire: Ifrit
Wind: Garuda
Water: Leviathan
Ice: Shiva
Lightning: Ramuh
Odin
Behemoth
Elder Primal Bahamut

We know Siren will be in the game.
There's Midgardsormr

don't know if I'm forgetting any others at this moment.

[Taelyn]

*snip*

I don't believe Midgardsormr (or Behemoth for that matter) are primals. Rather, they are just really old beasties. Midgardsormr has been referred to as a King amongst dragon kind. I believe Bahamut is the dragon's primal.

[jomoru]

I am counting a little more than 9

Earth: Titan
Fire: Ifrit
Wind: Garuda
Water: Leviathan
Ice: Shiva
Lightning: Ramuh
Odin
Behemoth
Elder Primal Bahamut

We know Siren will be in the game.
There's Midgardsormr

don't know if I'm forgetting any others at this moment.

Midgardsromr left a corpse.. Primals don't do that.

I don't believe Midgardsormr (or Behemoth for that matter) are primals. Rather, they are just really old beasties. Midgardsormr has been referred to as a King amongst dragon kind. I believe Bahamut is the dragon's primal.

Behemoth is the first thing we see in the "Primals unleashed" trailer.

[Glide]

Ifrit: Primal of the Amalj'aa.
Garuda: Primal of the Ixal.
Titan: Primal of the Kobolds.
Leviathan: Primal of the Sahagin.
Good King Moggle Mog XII: Primal of the Moogles.
Ramuh: Primal of the Sylphs.
Shiva: A confirmed primal of an unknown Beastkin to the north. All that is known is they are very large and have an icy demeanor.
Odin: described as a roaming Elder Primal.
Bahamut: primal of the Dragons; Bahamut used to be incarcerated inside Dalamud.

Midgardsormr was killed in the Battle of Silvertear Skies and its seal on the aether beneath Silvertear Lake was broken.

Out of all the beast tribes, Goblins and Qiqirn are the only ones whose primals are currently unknow

[finiteHP]

Out of all the beast tribes, Goblins and Qiqirn are the only ones whose primals are currently unknow

The Mamool Ja's primal is also unknown.

[NoloeTazier]

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Behemoth is the first thing we see in the "Primals unleashed" trailer.

First thing I said when I saw the video "Showing the Behemoth FATE is going to confuse new players." Behemoth is not a Primal, it's more like a HNM FATE with Drops.

To clear up confusion. Midgarsormr and Nidhogg are not Primals. Good King Moggle Mog XIIth was referred to as a Primal fight up until recently. In essence it's still a Primal fight even if he's not a true "Primal." For those that didn't get to experience the fight here is the story of Good King Moggle Mog XIIth.

The Mamool Ja are currently in Eorzea to work as Mercenaries (and they also bring the Lore that there is land to the west of Vylbrand).

As of currently we do not know if any other Primals besides Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Leviathan, and Ramuh have been summoned into the realm. There's no dialogue (yet) of the Paragons having taught the Gigas/Giants to use Shiva around the same time as the other Beast tribes or if taught recently. The Beastmen may worship a Primal (the Ixali worshipped Garuda well before being able to summon her) without even being able to summon them and interact with said Primal.

[RolandDebreton]

The Mamool Ja are currently in Eorzea to work as Mercenaries (and they also bring the Lore that there is land to the west of Vylbrand).

Nice find, I love little bits like this. Did I hear correctly that there is a large land mass to the south? As opposed to Ilsabard northward and Othard to the far east.