The Monk Temple

[Allyrion]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Temple/page123
Commonly accepted stat weights do not support the Fuma overall.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...29#post1756129
In this thread, I also compared the best sets (pre-T5) of either in each case and plugged it into Valk's calculator.
Even with a lower accuracy (which valk's calculator doesn't take into account), the Fuma set lost.
If you've got the Allagan Baghnakhs, you'd have to sub in even more accuracy obviously.

I haven't tested it myself, but the general math doesn't put the Fuma over the Melee.

[NoctisUmbra]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Temple/page123
Commonly accepted stat weights do not support the Fuma overall.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...29#post1756129
In this thread, I also compared the best sets (pre-T5) of either in each case and plugged it into Valk's calculator.
Even with a lower accuracy (which valk's calculator doesn't take into account), the Fuma set lost.
If you've got the Allagan Baghnakhs, you'd have to sub in even more accuracy obviously.

I haven't tested it myself, but the general math doesn't put the Fuma over the Melee.

Interesting.

That being said, ultimately I tested it myself to my own satisfaction and didn't see a decrease of any kind. In fact I saw a slight increase.

I would at the very least say it's enough to discourage any budding MNKs from buying the Melee Cyclas at all if they haven't yet, and instead getting the Fuma Body and saving themselves the ~800 myth.

[Allyrion]

Interesting.

That being said, ultimately I tested it myself to my own satisfaction and didn't see a decrease of any kind. In fact I saw a slight increase.

I would at the very least say it's enough to discourage any budding MNKs from buying the Melee Cyclas at all if they haven't yet, and instead getting the Fuma Body and saving themselves the ~800 myth.

Yea, and I sort of support the Fuma as a stand-in piece particularly since the BiS also has no accuracy as well.
800 myth is a lot if you're just gearing up.

[NoctisUmbra]

Yea, and I sort of support the Fuma as a stand-in piece particularly since the BiS also has no accuracy as well.
800 myth is a lot if you're just gearing up.

The Allagan Cuirass has accuracy.

[Allyrion]

The Allagan Cuirass has accuracy.

My life is a lie.

[hamsteak]

My life is a lie.

you aren't the only one! until a couple days ago i thought it had det with the crit, i was surprised when i realized it had acc

[NoctisUmbra]

My life is a lie.

you aren't the only one! until a couple days ago i thought it had det with the crit, i was surprised when i realized it had acc

I won't lie... I did at some point, too. I guess it was easy for the mind to pair it together with the Allagan Baghnakhs as being Det+Crit pieces both from Turn 5.

It's a tough patch every MNK goes through I feel like. As one who overcame this struggle earlier than you gentlemen, I offer you both my shoulder to cry on. Let the healing begin.

[AlphaDragoon]

Interesting.

That being said, ultimately I tested it myself to my own satisfaction and didn't see a decrease of any kind. In fact I saw a slight increase.

I would at the very least say it's enough to discourage any budding MNKs from buying the Melee Cyclas at all if they haven't yet, and instead getting the Fuma Body and saving themselves the ~800 myth.

This has been my result after testing as well, Fuma gives you an increase on DPS.

[Size]

Interesting.

That being said, ultimately I tested it myself to my own satisfaction and didn't see a decrease of any kind. In fact I saw a slight increase.

I would at the very least say it's enough to discourage any budding MNKs from buying the Melee Cyclas at all if they haven't yet, and instead getting the Fuma Body and saving themselves the ~800 myth.

I'm not sure I would support this. The fuma piece probably does squeak past melee body so long as you can hit whatever you are punching. But remember Allagan pants drop in T1 which is a major accuracy loss. You wont be able to use them both, so I think people starting coil still need to invest in the melee body 1st.

[NoctisUmbra]

I'm not sure I would support this. The fuma piece probably does squeak past melee body so long as you can hit whatever you are punching. But remember Allagan pants drop in T1 which is a major accuracy loss. You wont be able to use them both, so I think people starting coil still need to invest in the melee body 1st.

Unlike the Melee Cyclas, the Melee Gaskins actually are BiS... so it would make sense to spend that myth on the pants rather than the body...

There is currently no logical reason to buy a Melee Cyclas unless you find yourself in a position where you're really hurting for accuracy even after getting the Gaskins. Even then it's painful to watch.