The Monk Temple

[pandabearcat]

Same problems SMN with thunder have.

It is far less efficient than any of your moves (unless you're spamming Arm, which btw, never use except for the silence, or you NEED to get adds down immediately).

Stupid cross class skills D=

If it makes you feel better FR at least is the same efficiency as DK, and less than any of your other abilities.

...well crap that didn't actually make me feel any better.

Um...well...its...a filler...that uses less TP than ID.

Ahah! XD

[pandabearcat]

The problem has never been whether Bard dps is worth Monk dps, but there is an opportunity cost to Paeon.

I fail to see how ID spam is worth 20% dps penalty.

I don't think it increases your dps by 20%.

If the raid needs it, sure, but imo there is no reason to do any song except requiem unless at least 2 raid members need a song.

That being said generally bards need paeon for themselves regardless.

[Naalya-Deix]

That's right for pretty everything.

[Hitorisan]

Okay, so I just got my relic +1. I feel like I need to celebrate...

*ahem*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...OCzB35kFY#t=31

Also, anyone else think of this when they saw that relic weapons glow? Or especially when using Final Heaven? XD

[WellGramarye]

To me the the first thing I think of when I think of "the glow" is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWVhiIisH30

[EasymodeX]

To me the the first thing I think of when I think of "the glow" is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZpa9RF9aj4#t=0m42s

[ElHeggunte]

To me the the first thing I think of when I think of "the glow" is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWVhiIisH30

My first week of having +1 I refused to respond to anyone unless they addressed me as Sho'nuff. I also made frequent, copious references to The Glow™ even when it had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

[hehe86]

Kinda frustrating nobody wants a monk for their coil party. Especially when you're solo (not much friends).

[Arkista]

Kinda frustrating nobody wants a monk for their coil party. Especially when you're solo (not much friends).

Once people know MNKs can solo Silence and DPS people will take us more.

[Vektrat]

Once people know MNKs can solo Silence and DPS people will take us more.

Nope they won't.

Monk is the least effective silencing class and the most likely to fail on it, it impacts your DPS, and greatly your TP. (not to mention learning to silence alone takes way longer than any other class too).

Bards have a much easier time silencing than us, and their DPS is unaffected, the tank or offtank has to be mindful of GCD, but still superior to monk and their role is either unaffected (offtanking) or so little it doesn't matter (tanking).

Having two melee classes can be a pain at Coil for some groups, thus when choosing between monk or dragoon, the most likely is that people wants dragoons because of the piercing debuff.

I'm not saying we can't do it, I'm running coil as monk with a dragoon and we're at turn 5, it's just a pain for us and a huge hit on our DPS, I can understand any pickup party or progressing group that is "sorry we only want the ideal setup" won't ever be wanting monks, or at least until it is on super farm-mode.