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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    Then that means you weren't in Opo-opo stance. The bonus doesn't work on an opening even if you're under the effect of Perfect Balance (though that does let Dragon Kick immediately apply its debuff, which is weird).
    Ok I thought that when you have GL up you are in Opo-opo form at all times until it falls? If not then that would be why it doesn't always Crit hit for me. Only reason I think that you are in Opo form at all times when GL is kept up is that AoTD bonus is Silence which in Turn 2 of coils I use a lot and always see it proc.
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    Also another Question cause I spent the week getting LNC to 34 and MRD to 26 finally ^^ in what order should I use IR and BFB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkista View Post
    Is BS suppose to be a 100% Crit Hit behind the target every time?
    Only during Opo-opo stance, so only after your initial cycle. The same goes for Dragon Kick's debuff. Because neither skill will receive their stance bonus at the start it's always better to open with Dragon Kick due to the potency difference, at least provided you can flank the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    Only during Opo-opo stance, so only after your initial cycle. The same goes for Dragon Kick's debuff. Because neither skill will receive their stance bonus at the start it's always better to open with Dragon Kick due to the potency difference, at least provided you can flank the enemy.
    except during perfect balance, where every form bonus is active at all times.

    Some mnks use balance to instantly GL3, but I prefer to use it on bursts most of the time. Rock breaker spam can clean a phase really quickly in some cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    As a mnk you have to use bootshine. You are giving up a ton of dps if you aren't. Don't oversimplify a job because you find it complicated. Seek to learn it properly.

    Heres advice: 95% of your time is spent on the mobs flank. When you go to use bootshine or ts on rear, it should be one motion. By the time the animation is done you should be back at the flank. Make it one fluid move from flank to rear to flank. You don't have to come to a dead stop to use those rear skills.
    Theroically yes, but Boot is a huge liability on endgame, as oppose to spamming DK, which is really good, and even better on certain bosses (-10int)
    1: Rear is dangerous, dangerous, and more dangerous
    2: Moving target, flank has 2 sides, rear has 1.
    3: Monsters and their 180 turns. You'll quickly notice a lot of boss/monsters will do 180-ignore-tank-turn to do skills
    4: You are loosing 4seconds of Internal Release when you boot in your rotation

    (this isn't to mention that as flank, you can run through a boss, east to west to avoid certain...skills, but cutting a boss back to front is sucidal)

    DK is...just better. Boot has its moments, but unless you have a monster that is rear friendly...I wan to be as far away from rear as possible.
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    I don't think the rear is as dangerous as people make it out to be on endgame. All tail swipe moves have a cooldown on the boss and it's pretty safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risbyn View Post
    I don't think the rear is as dangerous as people make it out to be on endgame. All tail swipe moves have a cooldown on the boss and it's pretty safe.
    Depends how good well your window timing is, and how much lag you can afford. Not to mention your own skill rotation, and movements of pt members.

    Nothing worse then a tank, that runs through the boss and straight at you with a swipe.
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    Or you could be in flank
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    Quote Originally Posted by kukurumei View Post

    Theroically yes, but Boot is a huge liability on endgame
    Its not. You keep saying this but its not. The only thing I haven't done is coil. Everything from noob dungeons to Titan HM (ive cleared Titan, no unnecessary hits) I can bootshine everything with no problem. Ak boss? Bootshine. In fact I can bootshine *after* he starts his rear aoe and *still* make it out in time. Same goes for Chimera/Hydra you name it. It takes all of a half second to bootshine. I dont even stop running when i bootshine. I bootshine while running and finish my animation at the flank I started from. Thats how you're *supposed* to do it.

    The only place you cant use bootshine is demon wall. There's no excuse to not use it. 100% crit is *huge* dps increase. Dragon Kick is really only for debuff refresh.

    EDIT: Ive *never* ever ever been hit using bootshine. So I have a hard time understanding why you keep thinking its a liability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    Its not. You keep saying this but its not. The only thing I haven't done is coil. Everything from noob dungeons to Titan HM (ive cleared Titan, no unnecessary hits) I can bootshine everything with no problem.

    EDIT: Ive *never* ever ever been hit using bootshine. So I have a hard time understanding why you keep thinking its a liability.
    Those 2 sentences don't go together at all! You can make a point for some areas, but that sir, is truely truely false.

    Titan HM is probably one of the runs that flank is the best freaking decision in the world. Not only do you have a higher chance of dodging plummes(much much much higher), you also dodge table flip, and freaking #@! stone encloser (because he will likely landslide people focused on saving members).

    Titan HM -------->flank 90% Mnks that run that will agree.

    I was parse with another mnk in Titan TM, and I was the DK-er (while the other mnk was the DK benefit thus Boot).

    I Parsed on average about 5potency less then the other mnk despite having almost completely different rotation, because he had more dodging while I was on spamm-a-thon.

    The only soft(not gear) dps check is titan's heart phase, and that's more a team work(get your members out of stone) then any rotational DPS race.

    In fact 1-2-3 is probably even more important in Titan HM then anything. Everyone has to play perfectly. Everyone. Its unforgiving. You have to be dodging at all times. In fact, you shouldn't even think about rotation in phase 5! You have to know which row of eggs dropped last.

    If there was ever a run where, simple mnk run wins over complicated mnk, it's Titan. He will make you loose GL so many times and punish anyone so brutally, it's 90% environmental 5% damage 5% pure luck.
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    He only wants to slack and be mediocre which i'm ok with it, but he should stop trying to spread his mediocrity to other potential awesome mnks. There shouldn't be any case where you want to skip your BS if your DK buff( or debuf ) is up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pere View Post
    He only wants to slack and be mediocre which i'm ok with it, but he should stop trying to spread his mediocrity to other potential awesome mnks. There shouldn't be any case where you want to skip your BS if your DK buff( or debuf ) is up.
    Despite your attitude towards adapting to circumstances, at least I have shifted the conversation from "Do this" to "slacking". A far better denunciation, because you can't claim failure of a run.

    If it gets more Monks past dungeons, I did my job. When they get half a dozen runs under their belts you will glad they're not "lazy" any longer.
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