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    Quote Originally Posted by Vektrat View Post
    I start boss fights maximizing GL3 (two options, still trying to find which is best)

    (side) Dragon kick -> Twin Snakes -> Perfect Balance -> Snap punch -> buff up -> Demolish + Fracture + Touch of Death
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    (side) Perfect balance -> Snap punch -> Snap punch -> buff up -> Demolish + Fracture + Touch of Death -> Dragon kick ...
    Don't forget that Dragon Kick will only apply it's blunt resistance debuff if you are in opo-opo form, or in Perfect Balance. It's also important to note that while Perfect Balance is up, it completely prevents stances for the whole duration of it.. In the first rotation this would lead to 2GL dots without DK debuff, and in the second scenario to 3GL dots without DK debuff, the Dragon Kick at the end would not apply it's debuff (Perfect Balance would prevent Demolish from switching to opo form, while expiring after Touch of Death).

    Been breaking my head as well over a good Perfect Balance rotation, for now settled with this:

    Perfect Balance -> 3x Snap -> Dragon Kick -> Twin Snakes -> Perfect Balance expires, stances possible again -> Bootshine -> True Strike -> Blood for Blood + Internal Release -> Demolish -> Fracture -> Touch of Death

    Focusing first on getting up GL to speed up GCDs, then apply fully buffed dots by the 10th GCD. Sometimes latency will prevent the first Twin Snakes from hitting, in that case I just replace True Strike with Twin Snakes later.
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    From this point on, Fracture and Demolish are synched into the rotation, so whenver they expire I reapply them. It is important to wait until they fade from the boss, otherwise clipping DoTs will fail depending on the buffs you had when you applied them, and this can screw your GL3 buff with the current lag and skill fails.

    I also try to reapply Touch of Death whenever it expires, fitting it inbetween skills, not in any particular position of the rotation.

    Other than that I keep Dragonkick debuff up, and the twin snakes buff up. I believe trying to memorize a rotation as a monk is not a good idea, most fights are disrupted by adds / jumping bosses, etc anyway, so I believe the key is to know what must be up at what time, and when to do what.

    Summarising:
    • Apply Demolish and Fracture together
    • Keep touch of death up, apply when possible
    • Keep GL3, DK and TS buffs up
    • If possible, apply DoTs with buffs (TS+Blood for Blood+Internal release)
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    Can someone share his cross-hotbar settings please? I am going mad trying to figure how to best set them. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guevara View Post
    Can someone share his cross-hotbar settings please? I am going mad trying to figure how to best set them. Thanks.
    I have all 3 opo-opo on R2+X/O/tri/etc, 3 raptor on R2+d-pad, 3 coeurl on L2+X/O/tri, defensive/offensive buffs on R2+O/square and R2+d-pad on 2nd set. TOD/Fracture/Haymaker/One Ilm Punch on L2+D-pad and the fists on L2+D-pad on 2nd set. Steel Peak on R2+square so I can stun while moving. Shoulder Tackle on L2+square for same reason. Bloodbath on R2+left d-pad to gain HP. I'll take a screenshot if I get home earlier than maintenance today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemon8or View Post
    I have all 3 opo-opo on R2+X/O/tri/etc, 3 raptor on R2+d-pad, 3 coeurl on L2+X/O/tri, defensive/offensive buffs on R2+O/square and R2+d-pad on 2nd set. TOD/Fracture/Haymaker/One Ilm Punch on L2+D-pad and the fists on L2+D-pad on 2nd set. Steel Peak on R2+square so I can stun while moving. Shoulder Tackle on L2+square for same reason. Bloodbath on R2+left d-pad to gain HP. I'll take a screenshot if I get home earlier than maintenance today.
    Thank you very much! A shot would be great, otherwise I am sure I can do with your explanation =)
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    I asked this in another thread but this one is clearly far more active so I'll also propose it here:

    While the DOT skills are higher total potency, have you considered that you are wasting a GCD that could otherwise be used to start your next cycle, leading to higher potency/crits/gl/etc.

    I'm no MNK expert but I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the DOT skills with this in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahaudant View Post
    I asked this in another thread but this one is clearly far more active so I'll also propose it here:

    While the DOT skills are higher total potency, have you considered that you are wasting a GCD that could otherwise be used to start your next cycle, leading to higher potency/crits/gl/etc.

    I'm no MNK expert but I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the DOT skills with this in mind.
    There's no combo skills that are as powerful as even the weakest of our DoTs. Even Bootshine with the 100% crit bonus isn't as strong as Fracture. Building up to 3 GL isn't that hard, and having it slightly sooner isn't worth the lost long-term DPS. Maintaining GL is very possible and very easy while maintaining your DoTs.

    So no, there's no wasted GCDs for your DoTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahaudant View Post
    I asked this in another thread but this one is clearly far more active so I'll also propose it here:

    While the DOT skills are higher total potency, have you considered that you are wasting a GCD that could otherwise be used to start your next cycle, leading to higher potency/crits/gl/etc.

    I'm no MNK expert but I'd like to hear people's thoughts on the DOT skills with this in mind.
    DoTs have many advantages over instant skill, any DoT close to dmg to a regular skill will always be far superior.
    • DoTs can crit
    • DoTs are guaranteed dmg once in
    • DoTs will continue doing damage even if you are busy killing adds / the boss moves / you are incapacitated
    • DoTs do damage while you are doing other skills
    • ...
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    Ah, the DOTs are literally stronger than any skill in any given combo? Makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahaudant View Post
    Ah, the DOTs are literally stronger than any skill in any given combo? Makes sense.
    Right. Bootshine is effectively 195 potency with the combo bonus. 214 with the Dragon Kick bonus, which the DoT effects do not benefit from. Fracture, the weakest DoT, is essentially 230 potency ([100 * 1.1] + [20 * 6]), and this number only goes up as you get more crit. Given a decent 10% base crit chance, it's 241.5 effective potency. Fists of Fire, Greased Lightning and Blood For Blood effect both equally, and Internal Release benefits everything that's not Bootshine equally.

    The only downside of keeping DoTs up (and weaving in Impulse Drives when possible) is a potential TP issue in longer fights that have no breaks in them, which is something that is an exceptionally rare occurrence. And even then, all you'll do is stop weaving in IDs if you get low.
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