The Monk Temple

[Lewena]

Hello everybody,

I am a young 50 Monk and I have a lot of questions. The answers will be used for the post I intend to do (and update).


In terms of priority, I concluded the following :
1) maintain GL3 ;
2) refresh Twin and DK before they fade
3) refresh DoTs just after they fade
Am I correct ? Or maybe do you have a rotation that is easier to remember, that leads to less movement from rear to flank or that allow to focus more on the fight than looking for your buffs... ?

How much dps loss is to drop GL3 ?

How much contributes auto attack to our dps ? Concerning auto attacks, I feel like it is working as a DoT when you always face the target (and near to it of course). Am I correct ? Let's say there is an auto attack every 5 seconds. If I auto attacked 4 seconds before and then I don't face anymore your targetfor 2 seconds. When I face the target again, will I do an auto attack directly or will I do an auto attack only 5 seconds after I face the target again ? Behind is the question, how much loss if I move (from rear to flank) and not face the target for (let's say) 0.2 seconds ?

Assume that I am in coeurl stance and that Demolish will fade in let say 1 second, should I clip ? Should I wait to refresh ? Should I continue dps without refreshing Demolish ?

Concerning DoT, I know that they take into account my buffs when the DoT is applied. Does the debuff (DK) on the target also counts ? If yes, does it applies to Fracture (don't have it yet) ? Anyway, does Fracture is interesting ? Which one should I refresh first if they ToD and Fracture faded ?

Position : what does mean exactly rear. I mean it means to be behind the target but what does consider the game to be behind ? For movement, it is easier if you don't need to move from exact rear to exact flank but much less. Same question for flank.

oGCD : I am counting 2 oGCD skills : Howling fist and IR. Seems from previous posts of the thread, Steel Peak seems also to be aGCD. Did I missed something ? Do you use them in your rotation, especially Steel Peak as it is a stun on CD.

How do you use PB ? It seems that many of you use it at the beginning of the fight. Wouldn't it more interesting to construct normally GL3 and wait to use GL3 later (for Titan heart phase for example) ?

Construction of GL3 : when using PB, I am doing this right now Demolish, Snap, Snap, DK and Twin. How is it ? Also when you don't use PB (for example, not up yet), what opener is the more interesting ?

Finally, do you ever switch to another fist than the fire one ?

[Arkista]

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I don't know the details on Auto Attack I just assume they hit at all times unless you're turned around. So I don't think moving from rear to flank is an issue, Unless you somehow face away from the mob.

As for DoTs I don't use Fracture anymore.

OGCDs Steel Peak, Shoulder Tackle, Howling Fist, Blood for Blood, Internal Release. don't think I missed anything. depending on the situation single target or multiple I try to DK> Twin Snake> Howling Fist> Snap Punch. Seems like when I use Howling Fist after Twin Snake it flows together and snap punch just tops it off pretty fast without much wait on animations. Steel peak use it when ever its ready. Shoulder Tackle I use when I need to get to a mob asap, or if a mob is using a AoE like Void Fire III on top of itself I can run out and just pop it to get back.

As for PB it really depends on the situation. But for me If I need to use it at the start I will B4B>IR>PB>DK>Twin>SP>SP>SP. If I'm going for burst I will PB True>True>True>True>Demo or SP and then I still have enough time to reapply DK/Twin buff before they fall. But I like to save it for burst. To me I feel like using PB>DK>Twin is better than opening with Demo, I like to get the DK/Twin buff up asap.

for GL build, No matter which one I open with DK or Boot I always use Twin next.

I usually full time Fist of Fire except for times I cant avoid DMG then I will pop Fist of Earth. Fist of wind I cant even notice the difference, But I will pop it if I need to catch up in a dungeon.


Biggest advice I can give is do what feels right for you. Keep it simple.

[Remn]

Save timing for pushing boss is right after you clean 2nd honey. In a few week i can see ppl pushing him b4 2nd honey. (my party was at 43-46% when the 2nd honey pop. NO honey cleaning is impossible unless you come in with i140- i150 atuff lol or.... prepare to go into last phase with honey debuff...(even then it still difficult to push it that far)

[EasymodeX]

Save timing for pushing boss is right after you clean 2nd honey.

There's a second honey?

[mythicrose]

There's a second honey?

Sure...if dps is slow or the group is trying to milk the LB guage. But you already know that.

[NoctisUmbra]

A single stack of GL is a greater gain that either DK or Twin. Also, using 3 buffs back to back while no GCD is in effect is very inefficient.

I really shouldn't need to keep posting the optima PB opener anymore lol.

[dragonflie]

A single stack of GL is a greater gain that either DK or Twin. Also, using 3 buffs back to back while no GCD is in effect is very inefficient.

I really shouldn't need to keep posting the optima PB opener anymore lol.

People will keep asking it since the thread owner doesn't have a post like the Dragoon Thread at the beginning, and people don't want to read through 200 pages :x

You should perhaps make a Monk guide thread? This thread is more a 'Discuss about monk',

[Darkseth]

Auto Attacks do around 35-36% of your total damage (if you are permanently locked to target, and not turned around for a moment while repositioning to flank/behind. Not sure how that would parse)

[duceTRE]

People will keep asking it since the thread owner doesn't have a post like the Dragoon Thread at the beginning, and people don't want to read through 200 pages :x

You should perhaps make a Monk guide thread? This thread is more a 'Discuss about monk',

I agree, it would be nice to have a "general rule of thumb" or just a guide to look at. I know combing through the early pages has valid info, then everything gets table flipped when 2.1 dropped. And don't forget about some of the arguing mixed in. I understand writing a guide would take time. But a lot of the consistent posters(Easymode, and Noctis to name a few) are very knowledgeable. I hope something comes to fruition.

[EasymodeX]

>:3

Actually our group was on track to 1-shot it, but we failed because we only had LB1 on the last phase transition and our mage hit the button on reflex.

Very much /facepalm.

They need to tweak the LB system IMO. Punishes good performance .