The Monk Temple

[HoneyBiscuit]

Looks as though Mister Happy needs to update his video then. Not trying to call him out, his videos are informative, but he is giving people false perceptions.

I do believe he says in his video the same thing. If you aren't opening with perfect balance put ToD up first. But I am curious whether opening with ToD (without PB) is considered less than optimal due to slowing down your stacking of GL, but I'd assume ToD's damage over the time you are stacking GL makes up for the single GCD you spent before starting to stack it. I don't have any math either but it sounds pretty negligible to me assuming it's even a loss.

[Butcherboy]

Right before boss, I wait for the tank to b targeted then I use ST-ToD, I always open with that. Now this also depends on how start first, A I do st-tod-DK-TwS-DM-IR/b4b-PB-spx3-TwS-DK-DK-TwS-DM-bs-trs-sp,and B I do st-tod-ir/b4b-PB-DM-spx2-TwS-DK-DK-TwS-DM-boot-trs-sp

[Inox]

Demo ticks for very high. Losing Demo ticks by waiting is not worth the %buff to Demo damage you gain by waiting.

Especially since you will/should recast Demo after the PB anyways, so you will clip some of the total DoT. Delaying the first Demo just means you'll clip more.

Not 100% positive but I think the sequence should come out as:

[PB]: DM SP SP DK TW
[Post-PB]: BS TR DM

GL3 should be maintained across the DK-TW-BS-TR, although that's something you want to verify in game.

Thanks so much man!

[Shayuki]

Demo ticks for very high. Losing Demo ticks by waiting is not worth the %buff to Demo damage you gain by waiting.

Especially since you will/should recast Demo after the PB anyways, so you will clip some of the total DoT. Delaying the first Demo just means you'll clip more.

Not 100% positive but I think the sequence should come out as:

[PB]: DM SP SP DK TW
[Post-PB]: BS TR DM

GL3 should be maintained across the DK-TW-BS-TR, although that's something you want to verify in game.

I disagree.

This opening is clipping Demolish DoT and the first one with no buffs isn't that strong anyway. In my opinion, it's much better to open with ToD(Perfect Balance) -> Snap Punch(Blood for Blood) -> Snap Punch (Raging Strikes) -> Demolish -> Dragon Kick -> Twin Snakes -> Bootshine -> True Strike -> Snap Punch -> Fracture -> Dragon Kick -> Twin Snakes -> Demolish -> Bootshine -> True Strike -> Snap Punch -> ToD. This lets the first Demolish be much better buffed and also allows you to not clip the DoT at all. It times perfectly. I guess you -could- save the Blood for Blood and Infernal Release for later so that they are used for the second Demolish, but to be honest I think that you gain more DPS overall if their cooldowns are ticking as soon as possible.

While my highest maintainable DPS is just barely above 300 with my gear, with this opening I'm at above 300 DPS right after I'm done with this. It's quite a bit better than what you're suggesting according to my testing.

Maybe starting with the ToD before PB could perhaps not be optimal but it shouldn't be bad by any means, makes use of the Perfect Balance being off GCD, and makes sure you have enough time to get into position.

I do believe he says in his video the same thing. If you aren't opening with perfect balance put ToD up first. But I am curious whether opening with ToD (without PB) is considered less than optimal due to slowing down your stacking of GL, but I'd assume ToD's damage over the time you are stacking GL makes up for the single GCD you spent before starting to stack it. I don't have any math either but it sounds pretty negligible to me assuming it's even a loss.

Well actually, according to my tests when you're not starting with Greased Lightning, it's a DPS loss to start with ToD, whereas when starting with PB, you usually can use the ToD while getting into position anyway. Perhaps it is bad even then, in which case I would just not use ToD at the start and replace the facture with the ToD after the first snap punch after PB.

[MrDiezel]

Loosely reading the convoo, but no DoT besides Demolish should be used in Perfect Balance. You can start with ToD, THEN use PB. But youll want to get as many damage boosts and GL stacks as possible in PB. ToD does neither of those.

I personally go Demo - Snap - DK - TwS - Snap. Those first 2 stacks will allow me to get in 5 hits, i save the last Snap so i have a fresh GL timer. If you immediately go to your Snap Snap Demolish, your GL timer is already ticking down, and in a case where you are temporarily unable to hit your target, and you could def lose those stacks

[adahn]

Can someone answer me this question please.

At turn 5 when do you use your perfect balance? One at the beginning, one when the big snake appears and for dps during the last phase?
Do you just use it on cooldown for dps? Or do you save it in case you get targeted by stun/liquid hell/firestorm?

[Viridiana]

Demo ticks for very high. Losing Demo ticks by waiting is not worth the %buff to Demo damage you gain by waiting.

This is basically my logic for asking why we don't open with Demo. In the time it takes to go through the rotation twice and get your third stack of GL (where people say to use Demo), your first Demo could already have done more damage than Snap Punch would have.

[MomoOG]

Loosely reading the convoo, but no DoT besides Demolish should be used in Perfect Balance. You can start with ToD, THEN use PB. But youll want to get as many damage boosts and GL stacks as possible in PB. ToD does neither of those.

I personally go Demo - Snap - DK - TwS - Snap. Those first 2 stacks will allow me to get in 5 hits, i save the last Snap so i have a fresh GL timer. If you immediately go to your Snap Snap Demolish, your GL timer is already ticking down, and in a case where you are temporarily unable to hit your target, and you could def lose those stacks

I use the same set up. Most embarrassing thing that could happen to a monk is to lose gl3 right after using PB and putting the final snap at the end to refresh the gl timer gives a lot of room for unexpected situations (boss aggros healer and runs across the room for example).

[Lemon8or]

ToD(Perfect Balance) -> Snap Punch(Blood for Blood) -> Snap Punch (Raging Strikes)

I stopped reading there.

[Allyrion]

This is basically my logic for asking why we don't open with Demo. In the time it takes to go through the rotation twice and get your third stack of GL (where people say to use Demo), your first Demo could already have done more damage than Snap Punch would have.

When you don't use a PB opener, you're definitely. I'm not sure about PB, but you're asking about non-PB starting anyway.
Using Demo for the first GL stack will be a dps increase. I wouldn't use it for the second stack though, if you somehow mess up and SP the first.
Otherwise, it'll be falling off by the time you've got 3 stacks and you're ready to refresh it again.

It shouldn't even clip unless you've got an incredible amount of Skill Speed.
So it's pretty unquestionable.