New Free Company: The Soul Society (MaxLv)

[Zoloe]

so i'm a clown cause you say so or your just saying that because I have Fc/dues attached to the ranks.. as I said to the other young man
I welcome suggestions but calling me a clown is telling me about you then you about me..
I don't believe I called you out your name but hey your opinion is yours to have but
comment as to make my decision making better or don't comment at all.. next

Sorry you can't handle being called a funny man. Funny because of your ideas and the way you have presented them. Who are you to propose such a thing and demand "dues" of your members? Who in their right mind would want to join you? I don't expect the FC/LS I'm in will be asking anyone for "dues" per month. Instead, people will gladly give what they can for housing, events, and materials for crafters. My only input is don't make it mandatory for members to pay you to enter your FC. As good as your intentions may be, I don't see this going very far bud. Next.

[Genyi]

Sorry you can't handle being called a funny man. Funny because of your ideas and the way you have presented them. Who are you to propose such a thing and demand "dues" of your members? Who in their right mind would want to join you? I don't expect the FC/LS I'm in will be asking anyone for "dues" per month. Instead, people will gladly give what they can for housing, events, and materials for crafters. My only input is don't make it mandatory for members to pay you to enter your FC. As good as your intentions may be, I don't see this going very far bud. Next.

tnx for your reply.. but I said this to another person:

* lets say I don't charge to join & later ask for every1 to give to fund the housing-or an event-or furniture for the house.. I'm sure every1 wont give.. but want to reap the benefits of such.. so that means that the ones that did give will be carrying others which is not fair.. wouldn't you say? (I've seen this too many times to count.. thus inner circles are formed).
* lets say someone get there very 1st lv.50 and I want to reward them with something & I ask the crafters if they wouldn't mind.. I maybe asked to fund such a task and I may not have it.. that would really
look bad to offer that... & I can't even tho I stated that I could.
* as far as you calling me a clown.. with me trying to learn how this goes it was bad timing..
* if I were to do as you ask then I open myself up to more of what I experienced when I was in previous LS's.. except I will be the one who created this..
I wish I could have either close gaming friends as you or RL friends that I can count on but that's not the case here.. thnx for your reply again.

[Zoloe]

I will address each of your points and you can take what you will from them. Your view on people seems to be that they are all generally selfish. Such is more than usually not the case.

lets say I don't charge to join & later ask for every1 to give to fund the housing-or an event-or furniture for the house.. I'm sure every1 wont give.. but want to reap the benefits of such.. so that means that the ones that did give will be carrying others which is not fair.. wouldn't you say?

1. Why do you think they surely will not give you the gil for those three things you listed? If they join you, it should be for the promise of fun and community! That's the point of a Linkshell and a Free Company anyway is it not? You invite new people, meet new friends, do events together, and they will automatically want to help support the FC. They will already want to give gil for the betterment of the FC! (This is how the FC I'm with works anyway.)

lets say someone get there very 1st lv.50 and I want to reward them with something & I ask the crafters if they wouldn't mind.. I maybe asked to fund such a task and I may not have it.. that would really
look bad to offer that... & I can't even tho I stated that I could.

2. Your second point just shouldn't happen really. If you want to reward someone, you do so with your own gil. The crafters will help you out and probably not even want gil for their efforts because the person they're helping is part of the FC. You will, however, have to provide the materials. No one but you should be paying for that if it is your idea in the first place.

as far as you calling me a clown.. with me trying to learn how this goes it was bad timing..

3. Alright man, I apologize for the clown comment. It was insensitive I suppose.

if I were to do as you ask then I open myself up to more of what I experienced when I was in previous LS's.. except I will be the one who created this..
I wish I could have either close gaming friends as you or RL friends that I can count on but that's not the case here.. thnx for your reply again.

4. You're on Balmung! I'm sure you'll meet some nice people!

[Gethyn]

So, what sort of things does your fc have to offer, besides taking people's gil? Generally when you advertise something, you emphasize the attractive parts: the promise of fun, adventure, friendship, events, etc. Right now your post reads as "Everyone, give me gil."

Also, if you're having a lotto to give money back to your members, you're taking too much in the first place. Clearly, it isn't needed at that point, if you're throwing it away.

[Genyi]

So, what sort of things does your fc have to offer, besides taking people's gil? Generally when you advertise something, you emphasize the attractive parts: the promise of fun, adventure, friendship, events, etc. Right now your post reads as "Everyone, give me gil."

Also, if you're having a lotto to give money back to your members, you're taking too much in the first place. Clearly, it isn't needed at that point, if you're throwing it away.

* hmmm it seem every1 is focusing on paying a Fc/due is bad in which you were not here to see what I had up there but that's OK.
* if you would have read the the many posts.. it was based on a really high amount I was asking for but since then I lowered almost to known existence.. but I see all you want to see is give me money-money.. in stead of looking at what your coin is being invested in.
as far as for the lotto system its just one of many games to do for fun & I don't know about you but winning triple what you gave that month is nice.. but you don't see that.
* the person above you went out on the hopes that people will be like the ones shes surrounded by.. all are not so lucky.. I don't want to find myself constantly asking/begging people to fund events- raise money for the house or put furniture in it..
thru the Dues system all this will be done and reward people for there hard work.
* & lets be clear what I ask for now EVERy1 will make in 1 hour or less a day.. & yet you are making it sounds sooo bad like I'm the only 1 who would ask such a thing.. im just putting it out front & not on the back end were it would come off like I tricked you/ wasted your time.. & thus you leave.
* I believe in rewarding people on there deeds & hard work not just because there my RL friend or buddy on the game.. I ask for next to nothing now & still I get grief.. all I can say is some will.. some wont but.. I'm not asking for much & I feel its more then fair.. if you or any1 else have Q's for me i'm free to answer them but if what I ask is the only reason you wont join then GL finding 1 that meets all ur needs.
* I don't need money for myself I need it so I can create nice things for rewards.
* I find myself saying the same things but I'm still viewed as a elitist or scammer of some sort.
but if you would ask any1 in the LS OMNI that knows me as "insidious necromancer" they can vouch for my character.. I believe in carma.. I've NEVER done any1 wrong.. to be on some BS requires effort.. I just want to form a FC.. ask mems for some change to keep it up and running smoothly without drama. but all I see is "make it free or this will not work" but I know that if I do that I will kick out more people then I let in due to conduct I don't need.
* the 1 question you or others never bothered to ask is how much am I paying?.. at this moment it's 20K a month.. but im still viewed as a bad person.. nobody wants this more then me.
*ps. I promote all that u mentioned above as far as things that I would like to set up..
but that takes time & money..

[Gethyn]

I'm not trying to be rude. What I'm trying to say is that if you're attempting to attract people to your free company, it might be helpful if your writeup focused MORE on the activities and plans of the shell/fc than on the financial obligations. It's like...you're meeting strangers, and then immediately asking them for money. It's off-putting as an introduction.

Your plans for what the money will be used for don't seem terribly fleshed out either. You might have fleshed them out, but it isn't being communicated well. While prizes and rewards are good, people generally like to know *exactly* where their money is going when they contribute dues to an organization. Perhaps you could put a bit more thought or explanation into this?

[Masamune1004]

The biggest problem is that this FC doesn't seem very fleshed out. So far all you have is a bunch of vague ideas, which, while they sounds great, are just words that anyone could type out. Without any effort to show that your serious about this (website, voice chat server, while I understand you don't want it to be a requirement, you should at least have one if you plan on being a serious FC), this all just looks like a scam to pocket people's money and transfer servers, which is what I was trying to convey with my first post. Another thing is I don't see any kind of rules for the FC besides give me money every month. What if someone is treating other members badly, or stealing mats from the FC chest? And while I'm sure you could give me direct answers to these questions, the problem is that things like this shouldn't need to be asked, they should be known right away because most people aren't going to bother to ask, they're just gonna pass you up for one of the many other great FC's on our server. A great example of this would be:

the 1 question you or others never bothered to ask is how much am I paying?.. at this moment it's 20K a month.. but im still viewed as a bad person.. nobody wants this more then me.

You would've received a lot less crap from others if you had made this known instead of waiting for someone to ask about it.

It may take some time, effort and money (both in-game and real), but that's the price you have to pay to make a great organization, both in real life and in-game.

[Nuzuchi]

I don't usually join guilds.
I don't think there is anything wrong with taxing, though.
Just as this games payment model taxes all players to play in order to collect steady income a guild should be allowed to do the same.
Having people complain about who is leeching or having members who contribute more demanding more say in where the money goes could be reasons why people would choose this method. Don't expect me to pay though because I'm a dead beat loser.
Cut him some slack guys. ^_^'

I hope you find some members and your guild prospers.

[Southas]

You know, I've always believed that leading any guild is a selfless act. Hell, being a leader in anything is a selfless act. I may be beating a dead horse at this point, but I think you're going about this the wrong way. You can't start a guild and demand new recruits to pay from the start. You don't ask strangers to fund your business endeavors; at least not until you, yourself, have shown commitment and contributed the most. All I see is a wall of positions and tax amounts with an anime-themed FC name.

You need members before any of these taxes take place. A successful FC will attract players and taxing would be easier to collect and accepted. I suppose you have your sights on short-term goal rather than the long-term. It's at least what I've discerned.

[Genyi]

You, know, I've always believed that leading any guild is a selfless act. Hell, being a leader in anything is a selfless act. I may be beating a dead horse at this point, but I think you're going about this the wrong way. You can't start a guild and demand new recruits to pay from the start. You don't ask strangers to fund your business endeavors; at least not until you, yourself, have shown commitment and contributed the most. All I see is a wall of positions and tax amounts with an anime-themed FC name.

You need members before any of these taxes take place. A successful FC will attract players and taxing would be easier to collect and accepted. I suppose you have your sights on short-term goal rather than the long-term. It's at least what I've discerned.

thank you.. I never viewed it that way.. OK I'll remove it.. and see if you & others advise will prove me wrong.. I hope your right.. heres to stepping out here on faith.. hope to see you in game so i can thank you in person.