Japanese to English translation - Discussion Thread

[Soukyuu]

I'm starting to think we need a "Reverse Reinheart" who will translate the more active feedback posts from the NA forums for the JP folks.

Isn't that what the reps are doing though? It does take a while for them to process the mass of QQ posts and gather those questions who are worth asking. Then there is translating, going through official channels and all...

Sure, someone could just post the same thing on the JP side and hope it reaches the devs faster that way...

[Eekiki]

Isn't that what the reps are doing though? It does take a while for them to process the mass of QQ posts and gather those questions who are worth asking. Then there is translating, going through official channels and all...

Sure, someone could just post the same thing on the JP side and hope it reaches the devs faster that way...

Yeah (supposedly). But what the reps aren't doing is making our feedback known to the JP community and bringing them in on our conversations. I think that would go a long way in helping the devs get a better understanding on the issues at hand.

[ArkhamNative]

I'm starting to think we need a "Reverse Reinheart" who will translate the more active feedback posts from the NA forums for the JP folks. Since Japanese culture is all about being super polite and saying "it can't be helped", I think what happened here was since EmiliM reposted the main butt thread in the JP forum, they felt more comfortable giving feedback on it.

Well, this sort of happened today on the forums. There were accounts that were suspended for a week, then declared innocent, yet had fully 99% of their gil confiscated by SE. They have been wanting explanations (and rightly so, imho). Reportedly even the suspend/reinstate emails have had blank as reasons.

Although my Japanese is only as good as Google Translate, there doesn't seem to be discussion on that side about it. So someone did actually post in what he called "semi-broken Japanese" to make a request for clarification. (FYI: English post about JP post here.)

Anyway, back to the topic, I would hope that any person who does post EN issues would understand fully well the Japanese culture so that questions can be asked without rudeness or causing offense.

[Reinheart]

One thread that worked well with that one was 1-50 in one zone thread I translated in 1.0 for that threads OP. Sadly I don't think that guy plays the game no more, unless he started a new character.

But yeah I did couple reverse translations in the past, it does get JP communities attention but at same time I don't know if I should even be doing it, I don't want to cause any trouble. The current translation stuff might be causing enough problems ><

@Arkham Yep been watching those threads, wanted to say something but been keeping quiet on that one. Personally if they are really legit players, I feel it's not right on what happened, like I understand why it needed to be done, but at least there should be some type of official explanation to those players. Just being quiet about it and making them wait seems to be wrong, also depending on how you respond to that thread it could cause people to get angry so I understand how they need to be careful about it. Also it's a bit weird how they punished them but did it wrong, took money away from their characters, yet left the money on retainers. So what if the retainers had 90% of it... w (I'm just assuming here from what I read.)

[EmiliM]

I don't think the Japanese community minds the crossover discussions. I mean, for the most part, the Japanese player base is almost exactly like the one here, you have your angry trolls and white knights there just as we do here, they just bicker in a different, somewhat more polite language. :/ And chances are that whatever the English players are having issues with, the JP players are as well and have probably already made a thread about it (the butt thread being a rare exception ). I think it does help that there are probably more devs actively checking the JP threads though.

[Gilthas]

Not really sure what people were expecting SE to do concerning the massive amounts of gil that were added to the economy by the gilsellers.

SE could either let them keep their gil and then add bigger gil sinks to the game which would pretty much screw the majority of the playerbase, or do nothing and have the economy get screwed up.

No good and clean easy way out of this so they opted for the solution that affected the least amount of players.

[ArkhamNative]

Our "reverse Reinheart" experiment seems to have failed. The topic respectfully brought before the JP audience and devs by ogopogo has resulted in the 60-page topic on the EN side being deleted by mods.

Thread: Suspended and returned to a near empty wallet

The JP thread is still active, with the only response being from a few customers comparing it to counterfeit money, but being consoling and saying they have no answer why SE took all their gil not just the counterfeit amount.

[Soukyuu]

I don't think the topic was deleted in response to it being posted on the JP side. Usually topics only get deleted if they get out of hand. Excessive flaming etc.

On the "no plans to implement buying part of a stack", I can only agree with the replies that followed on the JP side, that's it's simply impractical. Both for the seller and the buyer. As seller, you have to spend a lot of time splitting the stack up if you only want to sell, say, 2 at a time. As buyer, you are more or less forced to buy the stack, use the amount you needed and throw the stack back into the market.

[Reinheart]

I don't think the topic was deleted in response to it being posted on the JP side. Usually topics only get deleted if they get out of hand. Excessive flaming etc.

On the "no plans to implement buying part of a stack", I can only agree with the replies that followed on the JP side, that's it's simply impractical. Both for the seller and the buyer. As seller, you have to spend a lot of time splitting the stack up if you only want to sell, say, 2 at a time. As buyer, you are more or less forced to buy the stack, use the amount you needed and throw the stack back into the market.

I see why they have the system the way it is, but also know there are lots of sellers out there that don't want to go through the hassle of splitting and doing all that so what they should of done is add a check box which allows the seller to choose if they will allow the buyer to buy singles or any amount from the stack they are selling up on market. Then have a mark/icon on the market board for the buyers to see and know that for this item line they can specify the quantity for purchase.

That would of solved this one, but I guess that's hard to implement.

[mbncd]

I see why they have the system the way it is, but also know there are lots of sellers out there that don't want to go through the hassle of splitting and doing all that so what they should of done is add a check box which allows the seller to choose if they will allow the buyer to buy singles or any amount from the stack they are selling up on market. Then have a mark/icon on the market board for the buyers to see and know that for this item line they can specify the quantity for purchase.

That would of solved this one, but I guess that's hard to implement.

That's the system they had in 1.xx, though not many used the bulk sale option. I'd LOVE to see it make a return to being just an option, rather than compulsory.