Japanese to English translation - Discussion Thread

[ReplicaX]

I play WAR but my wife as WHM hates it, she says she needs to heal more than when I'm running as a PLD.
I don't like playing PLD, WAR feels so much better for me >< Still stuck on Chimera for my Bravura... need to find a group for it... lol /sigh

It is sad, that some of the community is stuck in this stigma. I've had no issues running with WARs on Titan just to get them their well deserved clears as any other. As a Brd I'm not tossing up anymore than BV+Ballad after heart so Mages have MP on Final Phase. If I'm adding another Ballad in Final phase, its because ppl are taking avoidable dmg.

[HiirNoivl]

Tell her I said to stop curing you until you learn to mitigate better. :P

[Reinheart]

Tell her I said to stop curing you until you learn to mitigate better. :P

I did tell her to stop curing me till I'm below half, and she claims if she do that I'll get squashed like a bug... /sigh

[Rivienne]

I know I have said this before, but I am beginning to think that I must be missing something, or maybe I have just never played with a really good PLD, because in my experience the good WAR I have come across are better than any other tank I have come across. I have yet to come across a PLD that I thought was as good, yet I come across far more PLD than WAR, so statistically that doesn't make sense to me unless the role itself is better. I see it like this: WAR > PLD > GLD > MRD

And I am playing as a WHM and just go by how easy the fight is for me personally. I wouldn't mind looking at raw numbers outside of game, but subjectively ignoring the numbers, I don't understand what the problem is or why other WHM seem to have a problem with warriors. This whole debate is just confusing to me because it doesn't fit with my own experiences at all.

Just checking if you got another alt character with lv50, the main stuff about PLD vs WAR stuff comes in at lv50 dungeons.
I haven't done Bahamut's Coil myself but I keep on reading that PLD's are much easier to manage.

I have lots and lots and lots of alts! But I haven't gotten into the end game content grind because I am trying to avoid.. Certain types of people.. It will probably be another 4 weeks before I dive into the fray, even though I could do it right now if I wanted to. (I got locked out of behemoth for most of the first 3 weeks during 1017 issues so my main has sadly lagged far far behind my JP lala. working to fix that now.)

Even so, I don't see how a role suddenly stops being as good between level 49 and level 50. It just doesn't make sense to me.....

[Reinheart]

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Just checking if you got another alt character with lv50, the main stuff about PLD vs WAR stuff comes in at lv50 dungeons.
I haven't done Bahamut's Coil myself but I keep on reading that PLD's are much easier to manage.

I have lots and lots and lots of alts! But I haven't gotten into the end game content grind because I am trying to avoid.. Certain types of people.. It will probably be another 4 weeks before I dive into the fray, even though I could do it right now if I wanted to. (I got locked out of behemoth for most of the first 3 weeks during 1017 issues so my main has sadly lagged far far behind my JP lala. working to fix that now.)

Even so, I don't see how a role suddenly stops being as good between level 49 and level 50. It just doesn't make sense to me.....

I think WAR's role doesn't get bad, it's just the enemy gets much much stronger and when you compare a WAR and PLD in exact same gear PLD makes it easier for the WHM's. If I can I want to keep on doing end game with WAR but reading lots of stuff on this forums makes me think that I should probably gear up for my PLD before WAR... (For relic I said hell no to that... and took Bravura quest... and now stuck LOL...)

[Tronic]

This whole debate is just confusing to me because it doesn't fit with my own experiences at all.
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Even so, I don't see how a role suddenly stops being as good between level 49 and level 50. It just doesn't make sense to me.....

It doesn't. WAR is awesome doing lvl 50 content like CM, Prae, AK and Ifrit and Garuda. In those fights nobody cares if you're a WAR or PLD. The WAR class is harder to play and additionally underpowered skill-wise compared to PLD, but with a good WAR playing you won't notice. I run those instances with my WAR because I find the class more fun to play precisely because it's harder and more engaging.

The problem starts with Titan and gets ugly in Coil. The damage you take grows much faster than the damage you dish, which determines your self heals. Titan fights? "Let the pally tank". "But hey, I'm a very good player and have great gear!" "Doesn't matter, he's easier to heal". Or "LF tank for Titan" "Hey, invite me, I'm a war!" "No thx, need pally, and we only take 1 tank".

I've done turn 1 in Coil with several groups and pallies are universally preferred. I have a relic and full DL gear except for 3 slots which are myth ilvl 90 pieces, and have around 7.2k health with defiance and without buffs. Last time I went with my FC and tanked. All night long the healers and dps were whining about how much easier the caduceus fight was with pallies instead of wars as tanks. And truly, we wiped often not because someone f*cked up but because the healers couldn't keep up. Wars don't have the EZ-mode buttons and massive passive mitigation that pallies get. And incoming damage scales even more as you go to turn 2 and beyond. For these reasons I'm levelling up a pally to play endgame content.

More seriously though: I'm far from endgame content but I was wondering, do Warriors still do more damage than Paladins even when they have Defiance up and the Paladins have Shield Oath up? Woud be kind of sad if in those conditions Paladins did more damage.

DPS is a bit higher too, but nothing to write home about. Theorycrafted damage in tanking stance is 5% - 10% higher with WAR.

[Gilthas]

I just had an epiphany.

Maybe the developers say that Warriors are strong because when they test the content all the developers suck at playing as Paladins!

More seriously though: I'm far from endgame content but I was wondering, do Warriors still do more damage than Paladins even when they have Defiance up and the Paladins have Shield Oath up? Woud be kind of sad if in those conditions Paladins did more damage.

[Gilthas]

I was actually joking when I posted this:

I just had an epiphany.

Maybe the developers say that Warriors are strong because when they test the content all the developers suck at playing as Paladins!

[Eekiki]

keep your clothes on.

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME.

[HiirNoivl]

I did Coil with my group yesterday. I can do it just fine. I'm still wondering what the big deal is. No one in my group seems to care. We didn't clear Turn IV because we want to muddle about in Turn III and try to figure that out, but no one complained that I need more healing.

People prefer Pallies the same way they prefer BLMs and BRDs over MNK and DRG. These are also starting to get some undeserved ostracism (I read someone call them "useless jobs"). All the former classes let you be unskilled and not suffer much consequence. The only reason people take MNK and DRG to Titan is for the Limit Break.

Now we have MNK and DRG in our Coil parties, but people will set and wait for hours for 2 BRDs in Coil pick ups because they feel like they need them for silences even though they have 2 pallies for silences.

It's over insurance of a win because the skill level is low. But no one needs to make their parties like this. The issue is the same with WAR. People feel more secure of PLD because what they have been told. But I tell you that PLDs don't survive any better in an unskilled party than a WAR. If the party is skilled a WAR will survive just as well as a PLD. If the party is skilled and they prefer a PLD, the healers are just lazy, because it effects no one else in the party.

WARs are many times better players. Sometimes PLDs are lazy, not running out of stuff and eating everything, "because sentinel". As a WAR, I just don't get hit. Especially in Turn 2, you learn to be quick on your feet and run OUT of the red patterns on the floor. But 100% of the PLDs I've run with just stand in it.

But no one thinks I'm a possibility as a WAR because I'm harder to heal. But they've never played with me. I feel that WAR is fine, but we need a better statement from the devs, but even then it's at the point where no one will believe it. That horse has left the barn and WAR will carry this stigma was the rest of the life of the game I fear.