Japanese to English translation - Discussion Thread

[Kanzer]

Having come from 1.0 where it took months of prayer and hours of hamlet and crafting and melding (or 10s of millions of gil) and wishing on a star just to begin your Relic Quest.... I'm not sure how to respond to this.

If that is the system, then that is the system. I'd be fine with that too, but that's not how it is currently. If for whatever reason Warrior's NEED to go through that level of grinding/preparation to do their job as tanks, that makes them the ONLY class in the game required to do so. Which is a big problem. I know you've had to do that all along, so it feels normal for you, but for those who didn't play 1.0, they see it as unfair, which it is. And so they end up just re-rolling to Paladin or quitting altogether. If SE's goal was to make a majority of warriors switch to Paladins, then their current system is working beautifully.

[HiirNoivl]

You only feel that way because you see no benefit. If the rewards are good enough, there's no amount of grinding you won't do! Haha.

[Reinheart]

I fail... wrong thread!

[Reinheart]

Where he talks about tank 25:20 in video - Video link: http://gamerescape.com/2013/09/20/tg...h-translation/
Listened to it again, but I don't hear anything about introducing new levels, he says it's already strong right now, players just haven't researched it enough.

Unless I'm deaf or there is a section missing in the video... w

Can anyone else confirm?

EDIT: Listened to that specific section over and over and I still don't see how the other person got "Wait until we introduce new levels", if that's the case he would of said please wait for an update or patch 2.1 for Warrior buff. No where does he mention that, he says Warriors are hard to play, you'll need additionals (most likely meaning additional cross class skills from Puglist and Gladiator) and that the players haven't researched enough, dev team uses Warriors as they are really strong, and they recommend warrior."

OK I checked in on twitter just to see if anyone can confirm on this, and Foxclon said nothing about update to buff Warrior was mentioned during TGS.

[Alpheus]

Thank you Reinhart for maintaining these translations.

[Soukyuu]

I posted this bit in a reddit post and a japanese person answered -snip-

Not to step on anyone's toes, but how reliably Japanese was this person? And even if they are Japanese, how well can they understand Japanese? There are enough people with foreign roots growing up in another countries, not having the full grasp on the language of their parents.

Where he talks about tank 25:20 in video - Video link: http://gamerescape.com/2013/09/20/tg...h-translation/Can anyone else confirm?

Yes, I hear the same as what you translated. Nothing about new levels. Just saying to trust the dev's judgement that the warrior is strong.

To be honest, as a healer, I saw both good WAR and PLD. WAR tend to be "spiky" more often than PLD though, I assume it's a matter of skill usage and gear, (I don't know much about these two classes), rather than the class being gimped. It's the same as SCH vs WHM and MNK vs DRG, really. People have their opinion on the class based either from their experience or from word of mouth. And once the opinions are set, you have no chances to dispel the prejudices anymore. Even if you happen to prove you can do content x with class y reliably, the reasoning against it amounts to things like "it was a fluke" or "but we always went with class z for x, so we're going with that".

[Tronic]

OK I checked in on twitter just to see if anyone can confirm on this, and Foxclon said nothing about update to buff Warrior was mentioned during TGS.

Thanks for clearing it up Rein! I guess we really got the "L2P" from Yoshida.

Not to step on anyone's toes, but how reliably Japanese was this person?

I don't know the guy. What I reposted is what he said and all I know about him.

UPDATE: I rechecked the reddit post and he (the japanese guy) updated with this transcription of what he says Yoshida said:

This is the transcription. (Y=yoship M=Murouchi san)
Y 「今日もねさっきプレイヤーの方に言われたんですけど、戦士、ナイトに比べるとちょっと弱くないですかと、難しいんです戦士」
M「そうですねちょっとテクニカル系なんですね」
Y「アディショナルを沢山持ってこないと最終効果を発揮しないんですけど、実は開発ないでは戦士メチャクチャやっぱり強いんですよ、大安定して行くので今はどうしてもナイトの方が安定していて敵師をホールドしてガッチリ守れそうな印象があるんですけど、戦士実はメチャ強いんです、っでまだまだ使いこなしの研究され尽くして無いので是非ね我こそはと腕に自信があるという方こそ戦士の地位を高めるために是非プレーをして頂きたいなと思います。開発自信を持ってお勧めします戦士。」

Is this different from what you've heard, Reinheart?

[Reinheart]

Thanks for clearing it up Rein! I guess we really got the "L2P" from Yoshida.


I don't know the guy. What I reposted is what he said and all I know about him.

UPDATE: I rechecked the reddit post and he (the japanese guy) updated with this transcription of what he says Yoshida said:



Is this different from what you've heard, Reinheart?

The text he posted is what YoshiP said (敵師 should be 敵視, anyways...) in the Live but no where in there does he mention about warrior going to be strong after patch/update.

It exactly says what both Soukyuu and I mentioned. Dunno how this person got that info where Warriors getting buff later on to be better than PLD, YoshiP is mentioning about right now, as of 2.0s Warriors. They are really strong and that players need to play around with the job some more as devs use them, and they really recommend it.

BTW - Can you link me to this reddit post? Kind of curious what he's saying.

[C-croft]

Hi Reinheart, I will ask my mother to watch the video section regarding warriors and see what she says. Since she is native, I will be able to get you a better description and verification.

[Tronic]

BTW - Can you link me to this reddit post? Kind of curious what he's saying.

Sure:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...g_as_intended/

His username is Sweet-pink.