BLM

[mpetason]

Thanks for the fast response. That is what i had been doing and i guess ill just continue with it for now. I really do hope they do something about it though.

Keep in mind this happens with the Astral III and Umbral III buffs as well. I'm not sure if it does with the damage associated with it, but it does for the cast time.

You can tell this when you cast Blizzard 3, then immediately queue up Fire 3, the cast time is not decreased, you have to wait for it to connect then see the buff show up on your auras then cast fire 3. The Auras don't seem to change until the spell connects.

[jmdatcs]

Apparently it's when it connects. I usually end up using it after the next cast since you are about halfway in when you get the proc. Either they need to change it to on cast completion it procs, or allow it to stack instead of having travel time + hitting the target before you know you have it. Finish your cast, use the proc, and I guess accept that you will sometimes miss the chance to use every proc.

If it procs while you are casting, you finish the cast, then, white the next fire 1 is in transit, insta-cast fire 3, can you launch that fire 3 in time for the fire 1 you were casting to trigger a new proc?

[gigarit]

There is actually a guide I've been working on over at Ffxivrealm.com, I'll just leave the link here hopefully some of you find it helpful!

http://ffxivrealm.com/threads/black-...-2#post-112880

[Jelulish]

I seem to be the only one that doesn't agree with the current BLM rotation, I even spread sheeted it, and I still find Fire 3 to be superior to Fire 1. I have also out parced black mages that use the standard rotation.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwJf...it?usp=sharing

[NeoAmon]

I seem to be the only one that doesn't agree with the current BLM rotation, I even spread sheeted it, and I still find Fire 3 to be superior to Fire 1. I have also out parced black mages that use the standard rotation.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwJf...it?usp=sharing

Will test in Coil after reset from Turn 1 to 4 and report back.

[Nazzo]

I seem to be the only one that doesn't agree with the current BLM rotation, I even spread sheeted it, and I still find Fire 3 to be superior to Fire 1. I have also out parced black mages that use the standard rotation.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwJf...it?usp=sharing

Might want to check your spreadsheet again. Two 1.66 cast time Fire 3's after each Bliz 3?

[Jelulish]

Yes, if you cast them fast enough you can get a second cast in, probably a bug, but you definitely can.

[Keoregh]

Yes, if you cast them fast enough you can get a second cast in, probably a bug, but you definitely can.

I can't see in your sheet any instant Fire III with the Fire I rotation, which is his only purpose, instant casting Fire III without mana.
It's a 40% proc, huge !

I think we should try the two rotation on dummy with the log parser during ~15mn each.

[Starkbeaumont]

I seem to be the only one that doesn't agree with the current BLM rotation, I even spread sheeted it, and I still find Fire 3 to be superior to Fire 1. I have also out parced black mages that use the standard rotation.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwJf...it?usp=sharing

There is a flaw in your rotation 1. After the second Blizzard III you are not reapplying Thunder, cause it's probably still up. But you are casting Fire III right after. there is no way you'll be at full MP without waiting a bit though. can't cast 4 Fire III without full MP. Also that "faster casting bug" works for the first Fire I as well, when going from Umbral to Astral.

Your first rotation will end up with around 244DPS and the other around 256DPS.