BLM

[Mugaaz]

Don't understand your rotation at all. I've been theorycrafting the rotation a lot, and this isn't close to what I came up with at all. I need to see lvl 50 spell costs / mana pool, and determine which buffs are on/off the GCD to finish mine. I don't understand why you would start with B3 under any circumstance except starting a fight OOM.


Here's my beta version for single target until I can determine what buffs are on/off gcd, mana pool, mana cost, and length of time to regenerate mana from empty to full under UI3
Initial Phase: Swiftcast > Fire 3 > Fire 1 > repeat fire 1 until OOM, cast Fire 3 if firestarter proc is in effect
Second Phase: Transpose > Thunder 3 > Thunder 2 > B1/B3 > Thunder 1 > Repeat B1/B3* until near FM except ot cast Thunder 3 proc (This phase will definitely change depending on what mana pools /costs end up being and how long this phase has to be. Basically as long as you're under UI cast Thunder spells if they are down because they

[Mugaaz]

beat the pants off Blizzard DPS. B3 is better DPS than B1, but the extra second of cast time is a huge deal, if you end up having to stop a cast to move or get interrupted even once B3 is worse than casting B1)
Third PhaseA (Swiftcast/Quelling/Raging off CD) : Transpose > Quelling > Raging > Fire 1 > repeat Fire 1 until almost OOM, cast Fire 3 / Thunder 3 off procs over casting F1 > Swiftcast > Flare > go to Second Phase
Third PhaseB: (Swiftcast/Quelling/Raging on CD) : Transpose > Quelling > Raging > Fire 1 > repeat Fire 1 until almost OOM, cast Fire 3 / Thunder 3 off procs over casting F1 > go to Second Phase

I'm unclear about whether transposing is better than switching with B3/F3. I didn't have time to test in beta, but it seems like Transpose is off GCD, but I had trouble casting spells directly after and am unsure why

Like I said, this isn't finished and parts are clearly wrong. I'll finish it after I get to 50 and can test in game.

*PS 1000char limit on posts is so dumb

[Sandkat]

If you can only pull from two classes for additional abilities... Lancer and Archer seem to be where it's at... combining their abilities gives you 40% extra damage (Blood for Blood and Raging strikes, respectively ((if they stack)), on a three minute cool down and an emnity mitigation ability (Quelling strikes) that will prevent the 25% extra damage taken from "Blood for Blood" from making you a drooling puddle of arcane punching bag.

For THM (or any base class): You can pull from ANY other base class.

For BLM (or any JOB): You can only pull from 2 specific classes.

I don't understand why you would start with B3 under any circumstance except starting a fight OOM.

B3 kicks in immediate Umbral 3 followed up by Thunder 3 for dot ticks (Thundercloud proc chances) while keeping your MP at full. Then its into the Fire 3 (Full Astral) -> Fire 1

[Mugaaz]

Why do you need UI3 ticks at full mana? B3 takes 3.5s to cast, during which time you could be casting other spells that deal more damage. If you had infinite mana you'd never use Blizzard spells for DPS. They're only good to DPS with while your UI3, and Ui3 is only good because it restores your mana, and that's only useful because it allows you to go back to your prime DPS spell, Fire 1.

I understand T3 ticks to trigger TC, but T3 including TC procs is still less dps than F1 w/ firestarter procs under AF3 (*This statement is wrong if the T3 cast off TC doesn't trigger a GCD, if it doesn't then disregard). . There is plenty of time to cast the Thunder spells while you're under the effect of UI3. Also, since the Thunder spells do more DPS than Blizzard spells under UI3, its great to be casting those then instead of spamming Blizzard.

[Fawnlin]

B3 kicks in immediate Umbral 3 followed up by Thunder 3 for dot ticks (Thundercloud proc chances) while keeping your MP at full. Then its into the Fire 3 (Full Astral) -> Fire 1

I, too, am confused by this. It's been awhile since I played, so please be gentle (hehe). What use is Umbral3 at the beginning of a fight when you are at full mana? Is there another benefit to Umbral3 other than the mana regen?

[Sandkat]

You dont spam Blizzard. You cast it 1 time to simply get the buff. Then you cast 1 T3 for dot and then cast 1 F3 at 50% reduced mana cost to get AF3. Then its into F1 spam until FireStarter.

This way is more mana + more damage than you would just starting F3 and going.

[Forge]

This is supposed to be a thread of helpful tips for BLM and everyone is arguing over rotations! (Which are situational! )

From partying in the beta, I've found that it is good to have macros, specifically for marking mobs that you are casting Sleep on.

Example:

/target <mo>
/ac "Sleep" <t>
/marking bind1

^ This basically allows you to target whatever your mouse is pointing over, start casting Sleep on said target, and then marks the target, letting your party members know that it has been CCed.

[Fawnlin]

So the U3 buff causes your F3 cast to cost 50% less mana? If that's the case, then I understand the benefit there. I'm looking forward to more analysis once the game is out!

Side question: Does Scathe ever factor into the "rotation"? Or is it a special case usage spell (or not used at all)?

[Fawnlin]

This is supposed to be a thread of helpful tips for BLM and everyone is arguing over rotations! (Which are situational! )

That's not necessarily a bad thing! Thanks for the macro tip, Forge! Keep the good tips and discussions coming!

[Jackofham]

It's not optimized with way. You lost 2.5 sec (GCD after transpose) and you lost the "reduce Blizzard cost" because unlike you said it in the first msg, you only get the reduced cost if you cast a spell on the opposite buff.

Transpose is off the GCD.