BLM

[LetBloodline]

if i have to go AOE (3 or more mobs and group going for AOE as well) then i just stik with fire 3 as starter then fire 2 and finish with flare, by that time, since probably all the group is doing AOE trash dungeon mobs are dead or pretty much. If we left few mobs i go for blizzard 3 after first tik or after convert otherwise, if mobs are not AOE spammers i can get close to use blizzard 2 until full of mana then go back to step one =o

[Coephoros]

I am thinking that the missing factor here is spell speed? T3 during Umbral very rarely allows enough time for me to regen to full.

[Marichella]

can someone update the first post with all the possibilities for the rotation? ^^

[iqz3ro]

basically the rotation is in debate vs using thunder II or thunder III for the rotation. so i think it's:

thunder II(III), fireIII, fire -> mana down to like 5-600ish-> blizIII -> thunder -> fireIII -> fire ---- etc

i use thunderIII>II because... the spell looks way hella cooler than thunder II :P

[Teranis]

Maybe I'm misreading the thunder 2 and 3 tooltips but it looks to me if you were to use thunder 2 in your rotation your thundercloud procs will be nerfed at thunder 2's potency no matter which thunder you use.

[Nhymb13]

Maybe I'm misreading the thunder 2 and 3 tooltips but it looks to me if you were to use thunder 2 in your rotation your thundercloud procs will be nerfed at thunder 2's potency no matter which thunder you use.

Yeah I am a little confused also lol

[HitaruHotaru]

Maybe I'm misreading the thunder 2 and 3 tooltips but it looks to me if you were to use thunder 2 in your rotation your thundercloud procs will be nerfed at thunder 2's potency no matter which thunder you use.

Correct. Your Thunder 3 instand dmg will be that of a full thunder 2 BUT the subsequent tics will be at the potency of thunder3 and the next proc during those tics will also be that of thunder3.
That is why it's better to have a rotation which includes thunder 2 only to have more mana and cast time for fire but use thunder 3 on procs since they cost no mana and no cast time.

[Teloc]

This is what I do for my rotation.

Thunder 1 -> Fire III -> Fire 1 spam til low -> Blizzard III -> Repeat

I toss in Fire III and thunder III when I get a proc. I don't drop my thunder dot since I run out of mana within the 18 seconds of the Thunder 1 dot.

If i cast T1 or T3 and use thundercloud on T3 it hits for the same. So T1 for hardcasting T3 for proc. If you T3 on the pull you will be short 1 fire spell you could have used.

[Kajuana]

Wow, can't believe I missed that. Still used transpose losing 1 full second of dps!

[Tamashii]

ok i'm confused here after reading over the first few pages.

Wanna just do a quick check:
For BLM is it THM lvl 30 + Archer lvl 15?? Or THEM lvl 30 + Arcanist lvl 15?

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Black_Mage here from the wiki it says archer. But the first few pages on this thread says that it's arcanist. So which is it? Cos i've just hit 30 on my THM and i'm at a loss here.