casual

[kanjitai]

True Strike!

With that system, 8ppl party may win more exp, killing harder mobs, and the 4ppl parties may gain less exp, killing weaker mobs. Everyone may look for a bigger party If they have time, or just the 4ppl to play a few hours.

It seems a good thing to me.
Anyway, there will alway be levequests.

The only thing I hope, is that they implement Content like Promathia and Zilart Mission, in wich ones you will Require 8 ppl parties to do the quests.
Maybe they can implement Alliance quests, to get the items that, may require a hell of secondary quests to obtain.

Not a bad idea but well... we will see what becomes.

One thing that I'm sure, is that casual people, usually don't play MMO, so at the end, maybe this will became into another FFXI (in difficult, quests, etc... not in systems and all)

I'm a casual gamer who likes to play MMOs. I think MMOs can cater to both. I'm using WoW as an example because that's the best one. There's stuff you can do solo, in a small group, or in a large group. There's no reason 14 can't do this. Making another MMO in hard mode like 11 is dumb and yes compared to other MMOs it's still in hard mode even though it's been toned down. telling casuals to go away and not play or just play WoW is rude.

[Kazahashi]

am sorry i find it hard to believe you can't find 3 other members who doing the same thing as you. what you want this game 100% solo?

It's called a MMO if ppl want to play by themself and solo everything and less time consuming. Go play a Offline game -.- can't we meet a middle ground here? 4 players for casual is good enough you don't even have to plan much its go in and fight from what Yoshi-p if casual have problem with it then don't play then.....

I'm sorry but casual players are really starting to bug me they seem like they can't meet anywhere in the middle i hoping yoshi-p still does this system it help both hardcore and Casual give both what they want.

@warp: 8 party you need to plan it out and it be a harder boss and you would need more of a team work then 4 player if you want casual go play wow or play offline game -.-

for the love of god casual players meet us in the middle or play something else not everyone here is casual.

Amen. 99% of the MMO genre is filled with casual MMO's. Take your pick.

How many "Hard Mode" MMO's are there?? Only EVE really comes to mind....I love XI because it's hard mode, because I have to work for something instead of raiding the same dungeon 12 times and having almost everything handed to me....WoW is casual across the board, there's nothing "hardcore" about it other than the playerbase makes themselves seem hardcore because they live and breathe it.

[Zenaku]

Amen. 99% of the MMO genre is filled with casual MMO's. Take your pick.

How many "Hard More" MMO's are there?? Only EVE really comes to mind....I love XI because it's hard mode, because I have to work for something instead of raiding the same dungeon 12 times....WoW is casual across the board, there's nothing "hardcore" about it other than the playerbase makes themselves seem hardcore because they live and breathe it.

I can't believe there complaining about a system with 4 players -.- the 1 less then wow come on. I played wow and got into a fight with some guy saying raids are harder then ffxi endgame -.-. If casual players can't meet a middle in FFXIV and allow us hardcore players to have fun and stop thinking about yourself then go play something else it's not rude asking that. what rude is asking to make this game 100% Casual and not even think about other player base who are hardcore or players who like something in the middle. There many type of player base then just casual and i think about them all. Some like crafting which is why SE made crafting 100% class for that player base.

Yoshi-P please make the two system you thinking of it help both casual and hardcore 4 players is not hard to find -.-

noting is hard to find as long as they make a good system. WoW made it so you can cross severs and do events together do that for casual if you want to log in and do something really quick. If you only play 1-3hours per day or only 3hours a week then why you wasting money on a online game o.o

[kanjitai]

I'm willing to compromise with hardcore players. I just don't understand why someone would want to spend hours a day playing an online game. I have a job, family, friends, and a girlfriend. 1-3 hours a day is about all I want to spend. I should be able to make reasonable progress that's all I'm saying

[chime85]

I'm willing to compromise with hardcore players. I just don't understand why someone would want to spend hours a day playing an online game. I have a job, family, friends, and a girlfriend. 1-3 hours a day is about all I want to spend. I should be able to make reasonable progress that's all I'm saying

I do see your point to a degree, to be able to gain something, keeping rl in keeps (lets not be silly about this, we all need rl more than online).

I think the point of discussion here tho is to not fall into the trap of making everything available at the click of a finger. Even as a casual gamer, im sure you'd at least like to make some effort in a game. If no effort was required, you may as well click a subscreen.

However, i do not agree in (silly example) 18 hours a day minimum to finish the game. some medium is needed, and with the leve system, i do honestly believe this can be accomplished

Kimiko x

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Way to take what I said out of context dude. Am I asking for a solo only mmo? Actually no. Just saying looking for players is time consuming. Even when i formed parties with or with out linkshell to do my zilart missions it took 2-4 hours just to get a group. Then another 3 hours to get 2 missions done. thats a good 5-7 hours to get 2 missions done. I missed a good portion of story because I had to speed click through it because no one wanted to wait. That was the point I was making. I'm all for grouping, just would like it less time consuming to get them. Maybe a better party system or a bulliten board. Or something. Having to go all over the map shouting for anyone on or willing to help with things is what made it time consuming, and LS ppl are always busy.

I also don't like "hardcore" only events. Everyone should have equal right to do anything in an mmo. Time consuming and effort are not the same thing.

[Kazahashi]

I'm confused by this whole "Well I have a right for it to be casual" thing....it's stupid to be quite honest.

When developers make a game, they take their idea, their writings, drawings, and they make it according to THEIR vision of a game, whether it's hard, easy, medium, whatever. You have a choice as a consumer to not play it if you find it too time consuming, just like I have a choice to not play WoW because I find it way too geared towards casuals.

The same thing goes with SP games as well, Devil May Cry 3, Ninja Gaiden, these games are notoriously difficult, especially on the harder difficulties....I have a choice as a consumer not to buy that product and play it. I don't sit there and whine on a forum for the developer to go back and make it easier for me cause I can't handle it.....that's stupid. It's like buying a bottle of liquor and then writing Jack Daniels complaining that the taste is too harsh for you and others, so they should water it down to appeal to the beer drinking crowds, cause that's only fair to meet in the middle.

To sit here and act like SE is supposed to change the game and the time needed to play it because a group of people are complaining about it....is outrageous, and that's a lot of ego to request something like that. I guess I should go asking for a refund on Dragon Age 2 cause I found it too easy and way too short, or just go to the forums and complain that it just wasn't hardcore enough for me, and since I spent money on it, I have the "right" for it to be hardcore. Or I should've put in a letter to Tri-Ace telling them that Star Ocean 4 was way too long, and they need to go back and rework it, cause I just don't have the time to play a game that long anymore.

This is the stupidest request I've seen for the game yet, right there with jumping and every other request begging for something from another MMO....in my personal opinion of course. Seriously, at what point are you all just going to let SE make the game they WANT to make, instead of force-feeding them every little minor scrap of crap you want in the game?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

games are what you makme of it. There is no such thing as an "easy" or "hard" game. its all based on the player. like my cousin can beat any halo game on legenday mode easily. I can't. But... I can beat most rpg on high settings. there are 2 meaning to the term casual
casual as in "easy" meaning your not a gamer per say aka farmville.
or casual meaning your a gamer but don't have to much time to play. levequests in ffxiv are a good example.

SE is more going to a less time consuming game. you can still have a "hard"game that is not to time consuming.

[Kazahashi]

My point is, if they want to make a time consuming game, then let them make their game, there's a slew of other games that are less time consuming....no one is forcing you to play it....it's not like it's the only MMO on the market. It's a stupid as hell argument....lol, no matter how you spin it. If you don't have too much time to play, then there's like 20 other "casual" games out there better suited to your playstyle and time management.

Oh, and play Ninja Gaiden on the hardest mode, and tell me that there's no such thing as easy or hard....that's a ridiculous statement. Even though I can go through it on the hardest, doesn't mean it's not a difficult game, nor a challenge, and I've never see anyone argue that....lol, ever.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I think those poster here who are causing a bit of a stink with you "rude" opinion should look up a few tanaka interviews, he said the game was gonna be a bit more casual and less time consuming. FFXI wasn't hard. Mostly time consuming. And that don't = effort.

I wouldn't mind alternitives in completeing things. Like in ffxi when you got whitegate boarding pass you had a choice of what you wanted to do. Each still had effort. Some were less time consuming then others.