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  1. #61
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    TirionCrey's Avatar
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    Tirion Crey
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    Phoenix
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    Gladiator Lv 86
    Some people don't seem to embrace the real problem why people are complaining about this.

    I don't mind selling single units of an item, nor do I mind selling stacks of an item. The problem is...I can only sell 20 items per retainer at the same time. And it doesn't matter if it's 20 single units, or 20 stacks...

    As they can't increase the amount of items sold at the same time due to limitations, they need to adress this with some sort of option.
    Cause if it stays as it is...almost nobody will sell single units of an item...cause it would be a "waste" of market space...but the thing is...a lot of people only need 1 item of something, be it for a quest, or to craft a specific piece of gear or whatever.

    Of course overall the system "would" work...but the players won't be using it that way...most will sell stacks...and everybody who is looking for just one piece of whatever will be screwed. This is neither good for the buyers, nor the sellers.
    People can say what they want...most people will not be interesten in sellig single units of an item, cause it's tedious to "replace" them every day...when they could just add a stack and whoever needs one of them, buys one of them.

    Simple example...to finish the ARM Lvl15 Class Quest you need materials made by a Leatherworker or you buy it from a vendor in Gridania or get the raw material and craft it myself. I didn't want to leave Limsa just to finish the quest and I haven't had said material on me...so I checked the Market Wards...several people were selling what I wanted, but only in stacks of 10-99. I ended up going to Gridania and buy what I needed, but I bought 21 of them. Used the one I needed and put the other 20 up on the Wards as a single unit each. They were bought pretty fast...probably just because of that Class Quest...but I can assure you. Not many people are actually willing to do that, just to "help out newcomers"...
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  2. #62
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    Spider-Dan's Avatar
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    Viper Beam
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 70
    1.0's selling system was dramatically superior to the system implemented in ARR: seller has the option to sell as complete stacks or individually out of a stack.

    Please revert to the prior system. The current mechanism is crippling for high-level crafting, and virtually forces crafters to waste their retainer inventory slots on hoarding every material they might ever need, lest they be forced to buy an entire stack every time they need 1 or 2.
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  3. #63
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    Ryan Richie
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Orophin View Post
    They need to bring back the option that was present in 1.0 to sell multiple quantities of an item singly, in addition to selling several items as a single transaction. (99, 20, whatever items for one set price)
    yeah please bring back the option that was present in 1.0 /agreed
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  4. #64
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    Richie's Avatar
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    Ryan Richie
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeySweets View Post
    Say you wanted to make a level 40 robe but it requires a level 36 ingot and a level 33 piece of leather you can't gather those and if you don't also have those other crafts leveled you can't make them so you have to buy them from the market. Now the individual price for those items might be 5k each but since there are only stacks of 99 for sale at the market when you want to craft that item it won't cost you 10,000 gil to craft it but rather 990,000 gil. Or you could just camp the markets for a few days until somebody puts up smaller stacks of those items....if they ever do that is. You can always level all crafts at the same rate which is what I intend to do but many people may not want to level every DoH at the same time.
    true that's the point /agreed
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  5. #65
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    Twiddle's Avatar
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    Amelia Inverse
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    Excalibur
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    Blacksmith Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by -Aleth- View Post
    Charging more for the picked-at stacks won't make them sell faster though. It seems like your solution to the fire is to add gasoline!
    My logic is not very difficult to understand. When you go grocery shopping at the food store what do you see?
    2L of pop costs 2$, yet when i go a little further on the shelf and see a 591ml bottle the cost is 2$ and change. Do the math if you can.
    4kg of mozzarella cheese is about 23$, and yet the smaller portion right beside it of 500g that's beside it, sells for 7.50$. Again do the math.

    By that logic if you want a stack of item X it makes perfect sens to sell it to you for cheaper per unit, then if you want 1 or 10.
    Really I am not adding gas to the fire, i am on,y using common business plan.
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  6. #66
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    Timothy Valente
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    Except, that is the choice of the seller. I am a seller, I want that choice. I want to choose if I'm selling a box full of individually wrapped and barcoded candies, or if I'm selling one bag of candy at a single price for the bag. I am a seller, give me that choice.
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  7. #67
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    Kys Remix
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    Marauder Lv 25
    why are people trying to tell a seller how they should sell his/her own commodity. if you can't mine/harvest/craft whatever you need yourself, deal with it. if a seller thought he could make more money selling individually or smaller stacks, he/she probably would.

    edit: grammar
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    Last edited by kys; 08-23-2013 at 08:58 AM.

  8. #68
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    Fem Darcy
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 38
    It would be neat if people didn't scream FIRE!! FIRE!! Every time they would like something made to fit them better. Explaining your point of view and reasons for it to be other way it's way better than just say, people are mad about it, change it, change it, ...

    It's a market decision. Like Luciendardc bag of chips example. I may, simply, choose to sell a big pack with a cheaper price per item than in smaller packs. If someone wants to sell 1 by 1 they can(split it). The real problem here is that you can only sell 40 items/stacks at the same time. But that's a limit that SE decided to place for whatever reason it is, and it's positive. Why? Because people will focus more on what they want to sell and adjust prices. The other way around would kill the market since people would only buy from cheapest price/unit.

    Also, about the other complains like not been able to find items on the market, give time for players to sell and test the market no NPCs are adding items to the market.
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  9. #69
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    Fates Divine
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    Gladiator Lv 20
    How many ppl are actually going to buy a stack when they need 1 or 2 of that stack? The seller is free to sell his/her items however they wish, the buyer on the other hand is free to a) not buy said item ; b) request a smaller amount the item (more per unit price, is still way less than the lot price) ; c) request that the original system (1.0) be reimplemented. Fact of the matter is the current system is in place and for better or worse will be in place till at least 2.1. No one in their right mind buys a stack of items (I am not talking about a stack of 5 or 10) when you only need 1-5 of said item. I am a buyer and a seller and for me the system is crippled both ways. The seller can't put very many items up at once and the buyer rarely needs a full stack. Seems like most ppl are asking for more options both ways. If you don't want to sell items any way other than a stack, that's fine. I on the other hand would much prefer to sell my items... period.
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  10. #70
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    Hodgie San
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    Archer Lv 50
    Great points from both sides, but I think the simplest solution would just be to allow people to sell them either individually (and in a stack that people can peck away at) AND just in one large chunk. The option should be ours (as the merchant), and it should clearly define how the item is being sold on the market.
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