Not being able to buy single items from a stack on the marketward.

[Bizzybeast]

Too many of you are confused, being a nice guy I will explain this ONE LAST TIME-

Iron Ore:

The retainer AAA AAA- Lists 40x99 stacks of Iron Ore at 1 gil per. This isnt enough... Bob makes a second character, AAAA AAAA who he lists 40x99 more Iron Ore at 1 gil per.

System successfully ruined, forever.

As the system stands currently, AAA AAA lists 40x99 Iron Ore at 1 gil per, BBB BBB lists 2x10 Iron Ore at 3 gil per. There is a chance BOTH will sell.

Think about what I just said a minute, like seriously think long and hard at what im explaining here. I think too many people in this thread are over looking the common sense behind it.

[Darlantan]

Too many of you are confused, being a nice guy I will explain this ONE LAST TIME-

But look at this way...

I am crafting and I want to manufacture X item, however, I realize I am missing one ingredient> I go to the boards and I see 10 people selling the items for 3-99 in quantity, but I don't want 3 or 99 I just want 1. Now I am forced to buy 3 or wait it out or go farm my own.

Now if I buy the 3 items I first have to pay extra for 3 items instead of 1 plus the buying fee which will also be higher since the price is higher. Then I may want or have to sell the extras for a slightly lower price but also pay a sellers fee. So I've paid taxes twice for the same item plus extra for the extra amount I don't want, and probably had to resale the item for a slightly lower price for it to sell. Not to mention the small extra time of setting that up.

Besides if the market thinks Iron ore is worth 1 gil then it's worth 1 gil. Undercutting occurs everyday even in real life. It's called, Competition, Price equilibrium, Free Markets... I can go on

Yeah you're definitely no economist, so please don't pretend you are one either.

[Bizzybeast]

But look at this way...

I am crafting and I want to manufacture X item, however, I realize I am missing one ingredient> I go to the boards and I see 10 people selling the items for 3-99 in quantity, but I don't want 3 or 99 I just want 1. Now I am forced to buy 3 or wait it out or go farm my own.

Now if I buy the 3 items I first have to pay extra for 3 items instead of 1 plus the buying fee which will also be higher since the price is higher. Then I may want or have to sell the extras for a slightly lower price but also pay a sellers fee. So I've paid taxes twice for the same item plus extra for the extra amount I don't want, and probably had to resale the item for a slightly lower price for it to sell. Not to mention the small extra time of setting that up.

Besides if the market thinks Iron ore is worth 1 gil then it's worth 1 gil. Undercutting occurs everyday even in real life. It's called, Competition, Price equilibrium, Free Markets... I can go on

Yeah you're definitely no economist, so please don't pretend you are one either.

The humor in people using real life comparisons, is how they quickly fall victim to it themselves.


For instance in real life, nothing revolves around you being mildly inconvenienced, I promise you not a single person will care. If I wanted to buy a car door and went down to the dealership, would they just rip a door off? Or would I have to go do it myself at a junkyard or pay a little extra to get exactly what i want? See how quickly it gets so silly when trying to use RL to make a point in a VIDEO GAME?


You avoided the point of my post, with good reason because I doubt anyone could remotely argue its potent logic, and simply marched on into yours. Ruining the market, because you cant be bothered to find a use for 2 extra of an item, wont fly. There will not be the 10 people selling the item, that you saw, in this terrible idea's world. There will only ever be one person selling, the lowest priced person. So this does no good for the market, only as a tool to help people buy the exact amount of something they want.

All the while, you avoided the game breaking realities im being kind enough to enlighten you about.

I didnt say undercutting was a problem, so honestly im not even sure why you went into a tirade of cliche words you thought made you sound like you had superior knowledge in an economic discussion. My point had nothing to do with what you said, honestly I dont even know what youre talking about. Fair trade laws minimize most "RL undercutting" unless youre talking about 2 street vendors going down a nickle to sell more hotdogs or something? Are you talking about selling illegal drugs to drunk teenagers? What did you think you were saying that merited such eye rolling cliche phrases?

Who knows maybe you just wanted to use equilibrium in a sentence, that I can understand, but it does nothing to soften my extremely thread ending point regarding the topic. Please do me a solid and avoid it in the future, I wouldnt have to have explained it again if not for people burying it under useless replies.

Buying specific amounts off of a stack, will not work, im sorry and good luck!

[Darlantan]

Fair trade laws? That thing has been repealed since the 70s? Yeah didn't work...

Why can't we use RL comparisons? This maybe a game but it still simulates an economy that is similar to a real economy.

Since I don't know Wth you're talking about in this last post, what I am referring to in your previous post you say that the economy is ruined because two characters price two separate stacks of Iron ore at 1 gil each. How is the economy ruined? If the seller deems his ore worth 1 gil then hey he sells it for 1 gil and if others follow through then that means the market has set a price of 1 gil for Iron ore.

If you didn't think selling Iron ore for 1 gil is worth it then simply don't mine it mine something else that worth your time and value. --continued

[Darlantan]

-- Continued

Now if the market didn't think Iron ore was worth 1 gil then person AAA and AAAA's product would sell out instantly and the price will rise then stabilize to it's true price.

I don't see how this current system works, Esp. When you're taxed TWICE because you have to resale an amount you don't need. Besides buying specific amounts works GREAT in EvE and that game's economy blows FFXIV ARR out of the water.

[Almalexia]

Think about what I just said a minute, like seriously think long and hard at what im explaining here. I think too many people in this thread are over looking the common sense behind it.

It's a ludicrous scenario: the item is sold by vendors for like 3 gil. Even if someone were dumb enough to put 3960 iron ore--or anything--on sale for 1g all at once, it would get snapped up so fast it would only affect one guy and his 40 slots of lost inventory space.

[Sinbios]

Too many of you are confused, being a nice guy I will explain this ONE LAST TIME-

Iron Ore:

The retainer AAA AAA- Lists 40x99 stacks of Iron Ore at 1 gil per. This isnt enough... Bob makes a second character, AAAA AAAA who he lists 40x99 more Iron Ore at 1 gil per.

System successfully ruined, forever.

...how is the system "ruined"? If Iron Ore is so abundant that Bob feels that he is making a profit by selling it at 1 gil, then maybe Iron Ore is truly only worth 1 gil on the market. If it's actually worth 3 gil, why doesn't your BBB BBB buy up all the listings at 1 gil and relist them for 3 gil? This is how a real exchange works.

You avoided the point of my post, with good reason because I doubt anyone could remotely argue its potent logic

lol.

Ruining the market, because you cant be bothered to find a use for 2 extra of an item, wont fly. There will not be the 10 people selling the item, that you saw, in this terrible idea's world. There will only ever be one person selling, the lowest priced person. So this does no good for the market, only as a tool to help people buy the exact amount of something they want.

What exactly do you think is "good" for the market? Have you ever participated in a real-life commodities or stock exchange? Your assumption that only the lowest seller will sell anything hinges on that seller having so much supply that it will meet all any and all demand, and in that case the laws of supply and demand say the supply far outstrips demand and therefore the price really should be that low. How is artificially making viable goods priced higher than the bulk supply "good" for the market? Your idea of how a market should work is indeed as Almalexia says, ludicrous.

[Bizzybeast]

Why can't we use RL comparisons? This maybe a game but it still simulates an economy that is similar to a real economy.

Because it isn't real life, its a video game, thats why making RL analogies is stupid. Simulates a real life economy? When was the last time you bought Iron Ore, forged it into ingots, made a sword, infused it with magical properties, and went outside to slay 15 foot turtles?


Dont answer that. But here, I will give yet another trumping RL example if you so insist on them- Go to the store and find toilet paper. Now look and you will single rolls at probably 1.25$ each. No grab a 12 pack, probably around 10$, and bring it up to the counter.

Now right before the cashier scans the pack, I want you to stop him, rip open the bulk package and take ONE roll out. Then demand you still get it at the bulk discount. When the manager comes over I then when you to scream out "BECAUSE FINAL FANTASY ONLINE IS REAL LIFE!".

Report back what happened and how comfy the padded room is.

Now if the market didn't think Iron ore was worth 1 gil then person AAA and AAAA's product would sell out instantly and the price will rise then stabilize to it's true price.

I don't see how this current system works, Esp. When you're taxed TWICE because you have to resale an amount you don't need. Besides buying specific amounts works GREAT in EvE and that game's economy blows FFXIV ARR out of the water.

Oh well the price will just stabilize to its true price, duh, how silly of me. Here I thought that will never happen, because people will continue to acquire massive amounts of supply, with an ever dwindling demand.

Also this isnt EVE, you are truly confused as to what youre playing and the fact that it is a video game. That sucks that you dont see how this current system works, but that doesnt mean smashing terrible mechanics into it is the answer. What if you needed Iron Ore and there were none listed? Because the way the system works is its 'out of stock' in singles for people like you, while someone else is happy to buy an entire stack. Destroying the entire market system because you cant find singles of items, isnt going to work for- Everyone else.

It's a ludicrous scenario: the item is sold by vendors for like 3 gil. Even if someone were dumb enough to put 3960 iron ore--or anything--on sale for 1g all at once, it would get snapped up so fast it would only affect one guy and his 40 slots of lost inventory space.

Wrong, its not 3 gil, its 18 gil per. And you're double wrong, as plenty of items are flooded with over supply at absurdly cheap prices. I guess youll be buying them all up on every server? Problem solved? Everyone makes profit! You hero you!

I jumped to the bottom, didnt think I would have to explain it step by step. Ill do so now. It sells for 18gil per, so we have to assume it wont sell over that (I know it does in some cases). So I guess I start at 17 gil per. You would buy off my stack, of course duh, because its the cheapest. Oops here we go, another stack is 16 per, NOM NOM GET IT! Grrr, well 15 for mine now! Somebody else grrrs too, 14. 13! 12! 11! 7 (that guys super mad about price drops and is liquidating his iron ore).

No price above the lowest will EVER. EVER. EVER. EVER. EVER sell. It will ONLY ever be the lowest. Currently this is not true. I could sell 99 at 10 per, yet you still buy the 5 at 15 per because you didnt need 99. So we have a market where multiple sellers can sell their product, not just the one whose "dumb" enough to sell it the lowest. So that means me, Mr.Bulk Miner, can sell, and you Mr.I Bought 2 too many, can sell yours AT THE VERY SAME TIME!!!

...how is the system "ruined"? If Iron Ore is so abundant that Bob feels that he is making a profit by selling it at 1 gil, then maybe Iron Ore is truly only worth 1 gil on the market. If it's actually worth 3 gil, why doesn't your BBB BBB buy up all the listings at 1 gil and relist them for 3 gil? This is how a real exchange works.

Wow youre one of those people who watches an infomercial where they pretend they will only sell 10 of something, and the number flashes to 3 on the screen so you just have to order. Meanwhile some guy somewhere is loading the 100th truck with the thousandth box of the item there was only 10 of. Why did Bob's fingers break and he cant list more Iron Ore and laugh at the guy selling it at a higher price.

I guess thats how a real exchange works though, were you buy up everything super cheap at a Shopright, then sit out front and sell them for more. I must have missed that business seminar on real life exchanges.

lol.

My thoughts exactly.

What exactly do you think is "good" for the market? Have you ever participated in a real-life commodities or stock exchange? Your assumption that only the lowest seller will sell anything hinges on that seller having so much supply that it will meet all any and all demand, and in that case the laws of supply and demand say the supply far outstrips demand and therefore the price really should be that low. How is artificially making viable goods priced higher than the bulk supply "good" for the market? Your idea of how a market should work is indeed as Almalexia says, ludicrous.

This isnt real life, this is Final Fantasy, which is a video game. In real life I make 6 figures buying and reselling antiquities, so I literally have the experience to back it up. But this isnt real life, once again, this is a video game and has almost NOTHING to do with real life.

Im starting to think some of you have a real issue with blurring reality with your video games.

Anyway shrink mode disengaged and now to tackle your dull point. Yes, they do have the supply to do it. Especially considering they do not need to keep supply up, all they have to do is sell the lowest while they resupply.

And we ALREADY are seeing the markets have no heavy demand. You keep throwing out real life every 5 seconds, yet ignore that you literally understand BULK SUPPLY. Thats how it works, you buy in bulk you spend less.

Like, uhh, duh?

Also its not how my idea of a market should work. Its how the market does work. You guys are trying to change the system, not me. Im simply educating you on how it works and why it works better then the shoddy system you want to smash into it.

It wont work and it will not happen, I am sorry to inform you of this. Dont blame me though for taking the time to break it down for yahs. DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER, lol.

[Darlantan]

^ I am convinced that you don't know what you're talking about, literally.

[Bizzybeast]

^ I am convinced that you don't know what you're talking about, literally.

Welcome, have a seat, i've been at the conclusion for several of you for awhile now.

Funny how you said several of us... Why is it that several of us are in disagreement with you and your false-biased ideas but yet the several of us are all on the same page? Hmmmm....

It has nothing to do with the topic at hand does it? Thats like several people kicking a dude on the ground and one of them having the audacity to call him violent.

You can get as mad as you want Darlene, I honestly dont care in the least. I was explaining WHY the idea is shit and WHY it will never happen.

When it does happen, feel free to come revisit the "We are right, youre wrong" angle.

Sorry. Good luck!