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  1. #131
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    Leraje's Avatar
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    Dante Orpheus
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    Shiva
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    Archer Lv 50
    Yea that's correct Dragoon lost all the priviliges of using any Archer Cross Class Skills. He gained Marauder as Cross Class Subclass.
    20% from trait.
    I think it's 30%. 10% more damage at level 20 and 20% more damage at lvl 40.
    And let's not forget Barrage which cooldown got reduced by half from 180 secs to 90 secs.
    River of Blood got revamped and now has a 50% chance to reset the cooldown of Bloodletter through critical hits of Windbite / Venomous Bite.
    Everything else was already pointed out by Xianghua.
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    Last edited by Leraje; 08-24-2013 at 01:34 AM.

  2. #132
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    wildone9825's Avatar
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    Malichi Vestry
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    Hyperion
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    Thaumaturge Lv 18
    The best dps is going to be the class/job you will enjoy playing the most throughout a game that hopefully you'll take a minute not worrying too much about having the highest #s and just have fun playing. I pay attention to stats as much as the next guy but if i wanna be a dragoon simply cuz theyre awesome then thats what im gonna do.
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  3. #133
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    DomoNeeko's Avatar
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    Chaika Asobiikuyo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    There is a reason why smarter than the average gamer made Patchwerk in WOW the way to compare dps between classes. It did what you are suppose to do when answering this question properly. It reduced the amount of significant variables to the point where class damage mechanics was the only thing left to compare. So, again, answer the question properly guys. Potentially, which class has the best dps in the game!!
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  4. #134
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    OptimalZedd's Avatar
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    Shin Xno
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    lolBarcher

    did arc/brd got access to DPS limit break ? If not , none of you can say its the best dps...

    and a brd need to cast song to be party effective, thus reducing his dmg output
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    Last edited by OptimalZedd; 08-24-2013 at 05:25 AM.

  5. #135
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    Mizuharu's Avatar
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    Mizu Haru
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Xianghua View Post
    Dragoon doesn't have Raging strikes anymore. Unless they changed it back.

    And if you want to go on damage+ buffs brd shines.

    20% from trait.
    20% Raging strike
    20% from blood for blood.
    10% crit from straight shot
    20% crit from Internal release.
    15% dex from Hawk Eye (60Dex @ 400)

    but in phase 3 it was mnk >drg >blm > brd.

    Don't think anyone really got around to testing the changes in phase 4 though.
    EDIT: Wow nvm Marauder and Pugilist actions... Awesome. Thanks. Totally makes DRG that major DPS job we've always wanted. What, with Haymaker... And Featherfoot...

    Couldn't even allow Berserk to be a multi-class action. lol. :/

    Quote Originally Posted by OptimalZedd View Post
    lolBarcher

    did arc/brd got access to DPS limit break ? If not , none of you can say its the best dps...

    and a brd need to cast song to be party effective, thus reducing his dmg output
    That 20% damage reduction from Ballad/Paeon isn't too bad actually. And if you're using Paeon, it's converting your MP into TP which would make it last longer in a fight.
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    Last edited by Mizuharu; 08-24-2013 at 05:44 AM.

  6. #136
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    Teknomancy's Avatar
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    Akeno Dxd
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 40
    Bard FTW! From the little time I have playing, the Archer was just putting enemies down with the quickness
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  7. #137
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    Thunderson Stormhamer
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 25
    Librarian or Tobacconist
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  8. #138
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    Powercow Cowcow
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    Excalibur
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    Pugilist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DomoNeeko View Post
    There is a reason why smarter than the average gamer made Patchwerk in WOW the way to compare dps between classes. It did what you are suppose to do when answering this question properly. It reduced the amount of significant variables to the point where class damage mechanics was the only thing left to compare. So, again, answer the question properly guys. Potentially, which class has the best dps in the game!!
    Half the people did. Nobody knows yet.
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    If someone wins an argument, they have learned nothing.

    FOR DOCKHAND!

  9. #139
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    Vmage's Avatar
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    Mrv Light
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    Hyperion
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by DomoNeeko View Post
    There is a reason why smarter than the average gamer made Patchwerk in WOW the way to compare dps between classes. It did what you are suppose to do when answering this question properly. It reduced the amount of significant variables to the point where class damage mechanics was the only thing left to compare. So, again, answer the question properly guys. Potentially, which class has the best dps in the game!!
    the BLM that gets lucky thundercloud/firestarter procs is the best

    conversely the BLM that gets unlucky thundercloud/firestarter procs is the worst

    but, you asked about potential, and the proc based class has the highest potential

    doesn't mean they're going to be top every time, does mean that on their best day no other DPS will come close though
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  10. #140
    Player Reiterpallasch's Avatar
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    Arya Stark
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    Leviathan
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    Leatherworker Lv 50
    I hate when people answer questions like this with "i'd say a skilled player will always do better with the weakest class than a novice player with the strongest class" and "There is no "Best DPS".... All classes/jobs have their pro's and cons", because they have nothing to do with the question.

    When measuring which class is the best dps, you need to assume equal gear + skill, plus remove any other variables such as movement interrupting spell casts, melee needing to move out of range for boss abilities, etc.

    Sorry if it's not what people want to hear, but no game is truly balanced, ever. In a standstill, whack the mob in the face until it dies scenario, there will always be a dps class that is better than all of the others, and one that is at the bottom.

    Obviously people should play what they want and have fun with it. Nobody is saying you shouldn't. But for the question "What do you guys think is the top DPS class in ARR?" that is the wrong answer.
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