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  1. #401
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    EasymodeX's Avatar
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    Lunairetic Emx
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by GYX View Post
    single target:
    1.MNK
    2.BLM
    3.BRD or SMN
    4.DRG

    AOE:
    1.BLM or SMN
    2.BRD
    the rest fall on bonus damage for 1 and 2.
    Both wrong, although the ST list is less wrong.
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  2. #402
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    HamHam's Avatar
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    Hamtaro Kakamaro
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Here's a test. Two SMN in AK, almost killed the first NM (the priest) before he pops his summon, about 10% hp left. Two BLM, couldn't get him to the same 10%hp, more like 30%.

    I was one of the smn, as well as one of the blm (two different runs in case you need help figuring out).

    A lot of people here go by what they see in their parse. What they can't comprehend is that for a SMN, shadow flare and the dots on other adds, it's not counted. So, when they see their parses and see SMN as the 4th or 5th in the damage column, it is believe they are not good at dps. This is farthest from the truth. SMN can be top or barely 2nd in the damage department.
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  3. #403
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    xyaie's Avatar
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    Seyon Masters
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    Adamantoise
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by HamHam View Post
    Here's a test. Two SMN in AK, almost killed the first NM (the priest) before he pops his summon, about 10% hp left. Two BLM, couldn't get him to the same 10%hp, more like 30%.

    I was one of the smn, as well as one of the blm (two different runs in case you need help figuring out).

    A lot of people here go by what they see in their parse. What they can't comprehend is that for a SMN, shadow flare and the dots on other adds, it's not counted. So, when they see their parses and see SMN as the 4th or 5th in the damage column, it is believe they are not good at dps. This is farthest from the truth. SMN can be top or barely 2nd in the damage department.
    while i agree summoner might very well be top dps, i dont believe your post contributes to that at all. 1 low HP mob (not a full boss, burstable down in a few seconds) not only speaks for how much you can burst rather than actual dps on a 3-8 minute boss fight, you are also considering 1 test of each pair, and a total of 2-3 players skill/gear and using it to predict what a class is capable of, or what a class performs on average.
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  4. #404
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    HamHam's Avatar
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    Hamtaro Kakamaro
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by xyaie View Post
    while i agree summoner might very well be top dps, i dont believe your post contributes to that at all. 1 low HP mob (not a full boss, burstable down in a few seconds) not only speaks for how much you can burst rather than actual dps on a 3-8 minute boss fight, you are also considering 1 test of each pair, and a total of 2-3 players skill/gear and using it to predict what a class is capable of, or what a class performs on average.
    In reality, I wasn't trying to say SMN > everything else. It was more of a "I'm making a point" type of response to everyone else response. See, you see people here make assumptions about everyone's else jobs/classes. Some will say that a class is better than another one. But if you pay close attention, there's not much of a difference between classes.

    It all depends on the person who is using the job. If I'm an expert in DRG and a newbie MNK joins the party, guess who's going to out dps the other person? The experts is, but then, you will see people in the pt shun the MNK for not keeping up with the DRG, then make general assumptions about MNK. Same thing applies to all the other jobs. DRG vs MNK, SMN vs. BLM, BRD vs. DRG, etc..

    So, my post was more of an exageration and a parody about the many here who are saying, a job is better than another one.
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  5. #405
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    Fire-Dragon-DoL's Avatar
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    Quarion Silverfrond
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    Both wrong, although the ST list is less wrong.
    GYX is heavily wrong, first the BLM on single target do less (or the same) damage as a summoner, sure the summoner won't do less damage. Second, on aoe the BLM outdamages SMN, but only if there are more than 4 targets.
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  6. #406
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    pandabearcat's Avatar
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Brynhildr
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by xyaie View Post
    while i agree summoner might very well be top dps, i dont believe your post contributes to that at all. 1 low HP mob (not a full boss, burstable down in a few seconds) not only speaks for how much you can burst rather than actual dps on a 3-8 minute boss fight, you are also considering 1 test of each pair, and a total of 2-3 players skill/gear and using it to predict what a class is capable of, or what a class performs on average.
    Are you saying SMN has more burst than BLM?

    =D Joyous day.

    (note this post is not necessarily sarcastic.)

    Also unless you can't flank or backstab I don't see a bard outdpsing a dragoon, even if disembowel buffs bard damage.
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  7. #407
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    Shamirah's Avatar
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    Shamirah Zullya
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 59
    ST : Monk and SMN.

    AOE (5+ targets) : Blm, dragoon.

    Multi Target (2-4) : SMN.
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  8. #408
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    xyaie's Avatar
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    Seyon Masters
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    Adamantoise
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    Are you saying SMN has more burst than BLM?

    =D Joyous day.

    (note this post is not necessarily sarcastic.)

    Also unless you can't flank or backstab I don't see a bard outdpsing a dragoon, even if disembowel buffs bard damage.
    actually, kind of, yes. in this situation. a summoner can have all of his DoTs rolling, fester and do the little pet big boomy thing. they could replicate this as many times as needed. All that together in a few second period would out damage flare convert flare. beyond that the majority of a black mage's best "burst" is depending on RNG procs. now overall totally new target that you havent spent your time setting up on (normal bursting down a target) a black mage dominates.
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  9. #409
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    gigarit's Avatar
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    Gig Farron
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Eh until we have parsers that are more accurate we really wont know. But as of right now i have yet to see any summoner get even close to my damage as a black mage. I don't know if they are bad or what but even with sharing the parser stats with their parser they were lower. This last week in coil i did about 295 on first two fights, 345 on elevator and twin about 293 without limit included. I still have about 4 pieces to upgrade to ilvl 90 as well.

    Now monks i can see being the best single target but no fight is truely optimized for them since their buffs dont last long at all =/
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  10. #410
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    KroLeXz's Avatar
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    Kro Lex
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Bad bad smners than. We have 3 groups that clear turn 5, ran with 3 different groups in there... Even on my non optimal pulls and messing up my #1 spot is never in jeopardy. Monk are the ones ive seen come closest af least in my fc and a bard that doesnt sing.
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